League Rundown - Episode 604: Co-streaming is ruining the League Rundown

[00:00:12] Speaker A: Gets hit. Kimmy kids a little too far here. He's gonna have to try and get himself out. Let me go. Tillery and the rest of the shots of fire. Zion is just killing the next Zion can eat it single handedly win the game by game by game by game by should be. [00:00:27] Speaker B: Oh my God. Stupid. Passes through and manages to the table with Messiah tanking it up. [00:00:34] Speaker A: I do not believe he just believe. [00:00:42] Speaker B: I cannot understand this game. [00:00:46] Speaker A: Unicorns of love. [00:00:48] Speaker B: It wasn't a mutant. They're Nexus. [00:01:07] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to episode 604 of the League Rundown. This is your 2026 spring split LEC week four review and LCS week three review. This episode is lovingly entitled Co Streaming is Ruining the League Rundown. I am your host, Kangas and I'm joined by one esteemed co host I was able to wrangle together who is joining me live in my home studio, Mr. Bazelpl. [00:01:31] Speaker B: Hello. It's cool to do it together again. We got to do it one other time. That was. Dude, that was one of my favorite episodes. So now it's even more on here. [00:01:38] Speaker A: They can't stop us. [00:01:39] Speaker B: Nobody can do like an audio on the other side. So we could just do literally whatever we want on the podcast right now. [00:01:46] Speaker A: We could do the entire episode just by texting on like my screen on a notepad. [00:01:49] Speaker B: Nobody would ever know. And we could also play rock, paper, scissors and there's no response. [00:01:54] Speaker A: All right, so on shoot. [00:01:55] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, well, that. Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Okay. Nobody will know who won. You bastard. [00:02:04] Speaker B: I think we know it's just gonna [00:02:06] Speaker A: be the two of us. It's gonna be a lean episode and also it should probably be a short episode. I'm imagining that if you're looking at the time of this one, it'll be much shorter because I'm gonna be honest, we were both very busy this past weekend. I'm preparing for Riftbound stuff. You of course, with your LPL schedule as well as any NACL schedule and your game capture schedule. We were not able to capture or rather watch any lec. So my LEC update this week is just going to be like standings and who beat whom and continuation of some of the narratives from last weekend. So my apologies for anybody if you really wanted some, you know, hard hitting LEC analysis. Not going to be this week's episode. Can't talk about LCS as I was [00:02:43] Speaker B: go add Jamada and say it's his fault. [00:02:45] Speaker A: Yeah, we were hoping to have Jamata on this episode. [00:02:48] Speaker B: You didn't have to say that. You just left it to go at him. [00:02:51] Speaker A: And you know, that's a good point. But now I feel like I have to defend him slightly because he was going to join us and then it was. It's like super late. [00:02:58] Speaker B: My fault. [00:03:01] Speaker A: No, I would never say that. Okay, I'll let you read between the lines. Hey, we're getting an episode out. That's the important part. Let's talk about some of the news around the horn. The big topic and the kind of the reason for the title of this episode and the big topic on everyone's mind this past week is co streaming. It's come back into the zeitgeist of League of Legends because of a Fly Quest video that they put out. You and I had been talking about some Fly Quest videos even before this one, because they put one out about Tier 2 league League of Legends. I know that that was like something that a lot of the the folks in in NACL were were chatting about, but this was another video in this kind of series of clickbaity videos and it's got a lot of people talking about co streaming. So what are your thoughts on the video itself and the topic and then also kind of like the content that Fly Quest is leaning into? [00:03:50] Speaker B: The F. Well, I'll have an addition as well to that. But yeah, the. I mean if anybody watched the Tier 2 video, I love it because so many people have called it out. But the fact that nobody was in an uproar about that video when the costume video comes out, it's like a probably one of the most viewed videos in a League of Legends. And I don't know, years maybe it's just trying to deflect blame and not take any responsibility for themselves because they are part of these problems in a lot of ways, especially in the tier 2 video. I think the way that they approach it is a lot of information and can be pretty misleading in both videos. So I think it's just a disservice to the scene itself and it's very like Doomer rage bait video which sucks from the people that actually care about the scene because it is a serious problem that is happening and now it's just turning into some drama that has to be there and that is constantly talked about. And I think while raising the conversation is good, I think the way they did it is bad. And I think responsibility needs to be there even for flyquests who are involved in these kinds of moments or trying to like point blame away. [00:04:59] Speaker A: I think especially in FlyQuest shoes. Because if the video was just information, that's one thing. But I think the, the part that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and I'm sure a lot of people listening have heard or watched this Fly Quest video that came out about co streaming. I'm gonna focus mostly on that one just because that's like the relevant one that just came out. But it isn't just information of hey, here's what's going on and here's the conversation on co streaming. It's then this plug for their own content. [00:05:27] Speaker B: It's a very guided. [00:05:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like this is like a 15, 20 minute video. It's like pretty short. And it's just, it's basically if you told an AI, hey, write a script about co streaming in esports and the history of it. And then that's the first half and then the second half is them just shilling their own content creators saying like, hey, we're doing it better than everyone else or at least different than everyone else. And it just came across as like conceited. And it, I just did agree with it flat out. And I was like, it was, it was a tough one to stomach because I like Flag was as an org and I think it's cool that a team is trying to make content like this because content in League of Legends, especially like more dedicated 20 minute long YouTube videos, it doesn't exist like it [00:06:11] Speaker B: used to because it doesn't exist in the general entertainment industry anymore. I mean we're, we are so far gone from long, long form content. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Yeah, but I just don't like that this is where they settled. Is this like negative rage baity stuff? Because I. Oh, sorry. [00:06:25] Speaker B: It's also just that like they are an org that has put forward that they're all about development and nurturing North American League of Legends. And this is not a way of nurturing those kinds of things. This is a way of creating thorns. [00:06:38] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:06:39] Speaker B: Really tough. [00:06:39] Speaker A: And I've noticed On my own YouTube algorithm a lot of videos that are kind of in like I've seen a lot of just development of video game content because I'm a nerd and like that's just my algorithm that pops up. So I see like videos about oh, here's like how the Dead Space franchise fell off or something like that. Right. And like this type of rage baity, like negative content is everywhere and now we're seeing that get into. Yeah, League of Legends as well. I want to take a look here at the video itself because it had like a partnered creator. I'm looking at the FlyQuest YouTube. It should be like one of their most recent ones that was updated. [00:07:19] Speaker B: They took it down. [00:07:20] Speaker A: No, I'm actually not seeing it. Wait, did they. [00:07:23] Speaker B: There's no way they might have taken it down. [00:07:26] Speaker A: That's crazy. Yeah, the last video uploaded that was four months ago. [00:07:29] Speaker B: There's just a normal fly. It might not be. I guess it is about. I guess it's about co stream. Do they just have a regular Fly quest? [00:07:37] Speaker A: Maybe they do just have a regular flag. The reason I wanted to take a look at it and we're live scrolling on YouTube right now to try and find. Oh, here it is. Content creators are not saving esports. Yeah, it's just regular earn down for Walt. It's like one of those videos that has two different accounts and I imagine turn down for Walt is the one that actually created the. [00:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah, he's the guy that's speaking in it and the guy that shows up, he like records his. His face. He's in the video. [00:07:59] Speaker A: Okay. So it looks like they make a lot of Smash Bros content. I wanted to look into them and I didn't look into them at all ahead of time. But now again we're just doing it live. So. Yeah, I mean 130 or 72k subscribers with like 128k views, 139k views on their other videos from just days ago, like six days ago, 13 days ago. So they're clearly a successful YouTuber and I guess FlyQuest maybe has partnered with this person. I don't know anything about this person or like what their relationship is with FlyQuest but it's just interesting to see that they're leaning into these other content creators to help them out because that's something that even like LoL Esports did with Esports Garage. If you remember like Esports Garage. Our friends Manny and Pastrytime make fantastic content there. LOL Esports has been partnering with them to make other, you know, little mini docu videos for them. So maybe this is just the matter [00:08:46] Speaker B: that I was reading YouTubers today and like an article that right now in content creation it's more efficient to film like a 20 minute video and break it into three parts or like three minute segments and then post them all individually than it is to post one single video. That's 20 minutes that I imagine that's insane to me. [00:09:05] Speaker A: We're so cooked as a species. [00:09:07] Speaker B: So cooked. We're so cooked. I and I'm also a long form enjoyer like all my YouTube videos are like. Like I watched one recently, was like, what does an age of exploration ship? How does it function? Like, it was cool stuff. Yeah, that's awesome. I will go back to the CO stream conversation because I think it's a really tough one in a lot of regards because I think there's two sides of every coin. Because if you think about it, like if you're. You're fully one way, 100% against it or for it, it affects it completely. Like if you're 100% against CO streaming, then LPL English wouldn't exist because we're a CO stream, we're not an official broadcast. So then all you would have. Or you would have no coverage of LPL whatsoever. There would be. Literally not. If there was no costuming, nobody would be able to watch LPL unless you got who you. Which is a pain in the ass. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:54] Speaker B: And so it's one of those things where, like, for me as a broadcaster, this is maybe controversial and I see the benefit in CO streaming, I really do. But I don't like CO streaming. I think that it's can take away from broadcasts if it's not healthily managed. And I think Riot didn't think about that when they first released CO streaming. I think if it would have been much more strategic and like structured plan than just let anybody watch it and do whatever they want with it, or [00:10:23] Speaker A: at least approved creators. [00:10:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I think it would have been a better environment. But because it's gone this long like this, there's no going back from that in a lot of ways. And as a broadcast, like, it does feel like the role of being a broadcaster gets lessened because of it in some ways. Sometimes it's bolstered. I mean, the content's only there because the official broadcasters are on there. But I still find it interesting from a broadcast perspective how it can be viewed as negative. But then from a community perspective, it's a lot of the time positive because you get to see who you want to see doing the broadcast. As long as they're like. For me, it's like the rules of needing to watch the broadcast and not be like straving away from them are really interesting to me because a lot of times you'll tune into streamers and it's not that they can't be there, they're there, but then they're doing other things while they're supposed to be co streaming something. And I think that's tough. That takes away from the broadcast itself. But again, there's positives to it because LPL English wouldn't exist. And I think an entire community would be starved of content if co streaming didn't exist. [00:11:27] Speaker A: You touched on a lot of the intricacies of the debate there and I echo a lot of the sentiment. First off, though, I will say I think a lot of people's perception and even my perception of co streaming is a somebody watching a broadcast. And I don't consider a just kind of live feed or even like a different language live feed of a show as like the same as K Drel watching the lec. That's. There's a difference. There's a clear difference as like what you guys are doing on LPL English as opposed to what DOM does with lcs. [00:12:03] Speaker B: But then you can also. That's the. The place where it gets murky is because there's what we do for LPL English, but then there's also all the other LPL co streamers so like Nymera and stuff like that, who are just like solo. Right. And so that it's like this weird murky water of like there's a fake potential. [00:12:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I suppose. I just. I think that again in my head and I imagine a lot of people agree you think of gut reaction co streamers as somebody watching an official broadcast. And I feel like with LPL it's kind of like a weird different bracket that's in. But. But that was just a side point. A lot of the nuance that you touch on that I want to also touch on that I agree with is first off, it's Pandora's box. Yes. It's been open. You can't put it back. So co stream is here. It's here to stay. Number two is I the. The problem I have with co streaming is it shouldn't be free for the people that are co streaming. You should have to pay some kind of royalty. Especially if you're like the LEC or LCS where you have a main full English broadcast. Why are you giving this away for free? You're just giving free content way past [00:13:05] Speaker B: the years that that was a marketing scheme because at first the reason why it was free is because there was a lot of people watching League of Legends and it was just supposed to bring more people in and to make more people attached to the official broadcast and things along those lines. But we've gotten to a point where we've passed that spike in people and now we are like starving to keep people around and we're still giving it out for free. [00:13:28] Speaker A: And we're giving it out for free to people that are not always adding positive. [00:13:33] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:13:34] Speaker A: Discussion to. [00:13:35] Speaker B: A lot of the time. [00:13:36] Speaker A: I think Cage role for the most part is actually pretty tame and it's. We're blessed that he's the most popular and for the most part he doesn't say anything like crazy controversial or shit on players. [00:13:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:47] Speaker A: But then you go like doublelift meteos co streams. You look like the Dom costumes. And like some of them. Some of these guys can. [00:13:52] Speaker B: The thing I'll say about Cage with that if you've. I watch it occasionally because I like. I love when he tunes into lpl. [00:13:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:00] Speaker B: But the last time I tuned in, what I realized is that man has gotten so far away from any kind of analytical content and he just yells at the screen like 90% of the time. They're just like reacting to his chat and yelling or he's reacted to the gameplay yelling. I'm just like, all right, so we've gone from like this super analytical player mindset in coaching to I have too many chats to read. I'm just going to fucking scream my head off. [00:14:26] Speaker A: Whatever you pay attention to in the moment. Yeah. [00:14:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:29] Speaker A: So, yeah, again, there's a lot of nuance to the conversation, but I'm. I'm. My opinion is not extreme either way that, okay, get rid of all of them or they're the best thing ever. The one argument that I did hear that came up that I had not heard before from this most recent conversation around. It was an opinion. I don't remember who in the scene. I don't think it was Kelsey Moser. I'm not going to quote actually who it was because I don't remember who it was. But. But there was a lot of tweets and stuff going on about this. And one said co streaming. A lot of people say or their opinion of it is that it is ruining esports and pulling viewership away. I think that it's the only thing that has kept us in the green for as long as we have because it's fudging the numbers. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:11] Speaker A: And that if you cut co streaming, it would die. Esports would die. And that co stream has just delayed the decline of viewership and the decline of esports. And that's an interesting take. [00:15:24] Speaker B: I mean, you can see it like, yeah, if Cadrell is not streaming something, all of those viewers don't just automatically end up in the official broadcast. [00:15:32] Speaker A: And that happened in the lac. [00:15:33] Speaker B: Like it never. It literally never happens. And so, like, you can't Just say, oh, but Cage Roll. Like all those viewers would just watch the official. No, nobody would. You would be at the same numbers and you wouldn't have any. Any buffs. [00:15:45] Speaker A: And try selling that to advertisers. Hey, there's this one guy that if he's sick and does then the metrics are completely lies that we just sold you that ad space on. That's dangerous industry. [00:16:00] Speaker B: So Cage. I'll just give it. I love Cage Roll. He's ghost me a couple times, but he's really cool. We've worked together a good amount of times. Sure. And he obviously loves the LPL a lot. He was one of the ones that was like, thinking about funding LPL if we hadn't been brought on for another year for fake LPL coverage. But at one point, my boss, before LPL English got canceled, was going to try to get Cage to pay for co streaming rights. Because thankfully Cage is awesome and he's kind of stopped co streaming lpl. [00:16:32] Speaker A: Sure. [00:16:33] Speaker B: Again, another representation of we don't get the viewership just because he stops the viewership. Still sucks for LPL most of the time. [00:16:40] Speaker A: I mean, it's still good. Yourself in the bag. It's not bad. You're at what, like 35k? Like a lot of nights? [00:16:46] Speaker B: No, no, we get to like our most ever, I guess with YouTube was like 27, 28 or something like that. [00:16:53] Speaker A: Still. I mean, that's more highs on Twitter. [00:16:55] Speaker B: Like 11,000 broadcasts. [00:16:57] Speaker A: Yeah, like, think about that way. Right. [00:16:59] Speaker B: But thankfully he's kind of like left LPL to the. The co streamers, which is awesome. He'll come in occasionally, but he mostly does LCK now. But my old boss was going to offer him like it was like a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for a year of co streaming, which is like. I think it's actually a little bit of a low ball, especially because back then Cadre was literally streaming LPL every single night. And that was seven days a week. And he was making. [00:17:26] Speaker A: He was probably making five times a ton of money. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Yeah, more. The guy's easily making millions. [00:17:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:17:32] Speaker B: And so I, I was like, that's a really interesting proposition. Obviously, LPL English got canceled, but it would have been really interesting to see how that conversation went. [00:17:39] Speaker A: It's tough to start doing that now when the precedent has kind of been, oh, no, we're just bringing. [00:17:44] Speaker B: I don't think he would have done people. I think it would have just stopped. Stopped. Go streaming help you? Because why pay that much when you're getting stuff for free? [00:17:50] Speaker A: From if this becomes a riot standard and every league has to do that, then what would he just stop co streaming league and would he move on to something else? Because like that, that's the thing that I think a lot of these co streamers would be in a position for is like, ooh, you know, even. And I think 150k for K drill makes sense. It doesn't make sense for. [00:18:09] Speaker B: No, not at all. Not at all. Just for ca. [00:18:12] Speaker A: But that's the thing is like what are you going to have variable pricing based on the size of the street? [00:18:16] Speaker B: Don't you have because it varies like how much traffic you're getting. I mean at that point you'd have to like layer out statistics and figure out like how much does each viewership at it's it's an interesting conversation. [00:18:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I, I wouldn't know much about that. I just know that I think my personal opinion is it is crazy that it's given for free and I think [00:18:32] Speaker B: that that it was many years ago that it needed to be a band aid that was pulled off and it was not. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Yeah. So yeah, I mean the conversation is very interesting though and I like. Yeah. [00:18:41] Speaker B: And also like your insights. Stop hating on shocks. Just stop. [00:18:46] Speaker A: True. Yes. [00:18:47] Speaker B: That that woman is a blessing to the scene and one of the OGs. And I can't believe she's getting so much hate for having an opinion. [00:18:55] Speaker A: I have not seen the hate itself, but I've seen her posting about like defending her takes and being like, why am I getting hate for this? [00:19:03] Speaker B: It's a lot of her like comments and social like her like comments on her posts and stuff. It's just not the right thing to do. [00:19:08] Speaker A: I guess I'm just not in the habit of clicking on people's tweets and scrolling to look at all the comments other than that one Fly Quest video, which I did admit. I did check out the comments because I wanted to see if anybody or not the flag was the team Liquid one because I wanted to see if [00:19:19] Speaker B: Matt anybody had this is under the table. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Under the table. [00:19:22] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't think Matt watches this. Who won the beef? Who won the beef? Cubby? Or, or, or Columnar. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Oh, are we talking about drama now? [00:19:31] Speaker B: Yeah, we are. [00:19:31] Speaker A: Again, I have stolen the beef. I have not. [00:19:34] Speaker B: Call it off the top of your head. [00:19:37] Speaker A: I feel like in general, they're both really salty people. [00:19:41] Speaker B: They really are, bro. Dude, [00:19:46] Speaker A: they're so salty. It's so funny. So I, I love being in the position where I, I Have no skin in this game. I just get to watch the fire. For anybody who's confused, two of the more notable names in the tier 2 scene that have been around for many years kind of going at it based on roster moves that had happened in Tier 2. And yeah, it's again, dude, it's so funny. I don't think I could clock a winner right now. [00:20:11] Speaker B: I think it's too funny, man. Nova, by the way, is posting it. 3. He's like, he added both of them and said, who do you think won? [00:20:18] Speaker A: Okay. No, no, that's actually hilarious. No, I love that. But what actually needs to happen is whichever one of them posts a video of them shirtless in the shower. [00:20:27] Speaker B: Yeah. First, who. [00:20:29] Speaker A: That's talking about the drama. That's who wins. Because that's the tier 2 meta right now. Everyone's modeling after Dokla just go shirtless. And then Shochi made a video in the shower. And then only 35 made a video. [00:20:39] Speaker B: Only 35 started it. [00:20:41] Speaker A: Oh, he started. Oh, I only saw Chochi stuff. I just like how only 35 had a burger. [00:20:45] Speaker B: He was just eating a burger. Just eating a burger in the shower, bro. [00:20:48] Speaker A: Best content here she's ever seen. And we made a lot of content. Oh, you know, on the Ranger is good too. [00:20:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:53] Speaker A: Okay. It was on the range, dude. I was a guy eating a burger. [00:20:56] Speaker B: I'm not. I was gonna get into a tangent. I'm not going to. [00:20:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:20:59] Speaker B: It's gonna take forever. [00:21:00] Speaker A: You want to get in a tangent about LPL because it's time to move on. Give me the LPL update, Mr. Mazelpl. [00:21:05] Speaker B: So we're still off on Mondays and Tuesdays, so that's been weird. We're getting to the thick of things now. We're in week four. If you haven't checked it out, we have a top plays of the week video that we release every Tuesday that I've been editing as well. So go check that out. You can catch up on some of the best plays. I come up with all the titles so you know, if you like them. That being said, Top Esports is absolutely insane right now. Tien took a break at the beginning of the year and feels like he is looking for an MVP this year. The guy has been absolutely insane. BLG has had some slip ups which haven't been that great to watch because you're wondering what's going on with the team themselves. The big stunner so far, though, has been nip in group Ascend, a team that everybody expected to be down at the bottom with we who have not won a game since February 16th. What very awful for we. They are. They are 0 and 12 and it has not looked good. And they are already almost halfway through their season. But everybody expected an IP to be at that same position. But they are actually finding some good success in a group that's very difficult because, like Weibo has been really, really struggling. Shahu looks very out of sorts for being the spring Tiger. He is not very strong. I guess [00:22:25] Speaker A: he's got back in the jack in the box. [00:22:26] Speaker B: He's doing something. It's not playing League of legends. [00:22:29] Speaker A: Yeah, he's been unwound. [00:22:30] Speaker B: Nip has been really fun to watch. IG has struggled a lot. They looked so good. They were 3 and 0 to start and then they started facing actual opponents and now they're 03. But it's looking like top esports is going to be top dog in spring, which is terrifying because when they're at the top, you never know what stability is. Like 3, 6, 9. [00:22:50] Speaker A: Back to the international stage maybe. [00:22:52] Speaker B: No, he's not playing. He's taking a break. It is way on who is playing right now. He's a rookie and he is a monster. The guy has been actually tearing it up. He's had some. Some few rookie mistakes and stuff, but he's made it into the top five. Plays every week for two weeks since 369 played in week number one. Okay. Cream has been stepping up big time. Again. This all terrifies me because top esports is not the most stable team in the history and we also look at their international play if they're going to go be one of our seeds. Top Esports track record is not great and so everybody's a little bit worried, but it's most likely going to be a top Esports bilibili world and we'll see if anything changes like that. And we're already almost done done with group nirvana. Little side thing. I know. Nobody cares about group nirvana. [00:23:37] Speaker A: Hey, they got TT in there, baby. [00:23:39] Speaker B: They only play five games in an entire split five series, which is probably still more games than LCS place. No, that's real. [00:23:48] Speaker A: It's round robin. So now we get seven best of three. [00:23:51] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Okay. There you go. Good job. Good job. Well, one thing they don't have in LCS that they do have an LPL is relegation at this point. But it's even worse this year. Last year we thought it was bad that teams were stopping play around, around like whatever. April, May. [00:24:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:08] Speaker B: And then being done for the year. [00:24:09] Speaker A: RNG was one of them, right? [00:24:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And it last year they would go down to the LDL, which is the tier 2 system. And for the LPL this year the LDL is like non existent. There's five teams playing in the LDL right now and one of them has forfeited every single match they've played. And so because of the ramping betting allegations and all that stuff, like LDL is like cooked. [00:24:32] Speaker A: Oh no. [00:24:33] Speaker B: So whatever that says for the future of lpl, who knows? That's. That's a future problem. Okay. A problem for the now for a lot of teams and especially OMG, who only have five series to play and are already 0 and 2 and have two more games this week. 2. The bottom two don't go to LDL. They go nowhere. They literally are done for the year, have no other competitive games and are just finished. Because they cannot go down to LDL because LDL does not exist. They can't play anymore because in split number three, the bottom two are done. And so after whatever the last game is, the last week has like two or three games in it. [00:25:12] Speaker A: I think it's this week seven. So we have OMG, their last game [00:25:16] Speaker B: is on the 15th. So that would potentially. They look awful. That the 15th of May is potentially the last day. OMG plays competitive League of Legends in all of 2023. Not even halfway through the year, bro. Like I don't even know how you talk about that with your players. I don't know how you deal with that as a sponsor, as an org. Like there is no damn way that these two orgs exist next year if they have to go seven months without even playing the game. [00:25:41] Speaker A: Also a bigger disaster here. What happened to OMG's logo? What the hell? [00:25:47] Speaker B: That's been their logo for many years. [00:25:50] Speaker A: My goats fell off. [00:25:51] Speaker B: They had to change. So the first year they introduced the logo every. Every team had. It was 2023. Every team had like a, a, a motto, like a quote that they did. And theirs was like, oh, find peace. No, it's like Find peace in the sky with. With something. It was like some very culty and they had to change it because it was the China like ruled it being too culty. Yeah. And their logo on top of it was like the weird. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Well anyway, I haven't seen the new logo. [00:26:19] Speaker B: Bottom two teams don't get to play League of Legends. Like what do you do as a player? What? Like, like I. You just go. Go to PC bongs like nearby and go win prizes. Somewhere like, what the hell do you do as a competitive player for seven months? [00:26:33] Speaker A: That is actually crazy. And even like the story of LDL only having like five teams. I didn't know that they were in such directions. Dude, Tier two everywhere. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Oh, and you remember. I don't. I got reminded today. Zav posted it. But the. The. The motto thing of the. The betting stuff, it's like, oh, we are going to use all this to fund Tier two across the world and put more tournaments for Tier two. And it's like they said all that last year, then. Now all of Tier two is just dying. [00:26:59] Speaker A: That's. That's tough. [00:27:01] Speaker B: Anyways. Well, that was a big rant. [00:27:03] Speaker A: No, thank you for. There was a lot of interesting nuggets I did not know in that LPL update, so thank you for that. We don't have anyone for the LCK update. [00:27:10] Speaker B: Nobody cares about the region anyways. [00:27:12] Speaker A: True. And no one's here to defend the reason, so. [00:27:15] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:27:15] Speaker A: Your word is scripture. So that means that it's just time to remind you if we missed anything that you wish we had talked about. Join the community Discord. There's a link into the description wherever you are, listening along. And also shout out to anybody who helps support the podcast, either through our Patreon or our Merch Shop. Links to both of those are also in the description. Okay, we got through the news. I think it's good that we took a little bit longer on that segment just because again, reminder, we're not gonna have a lot to say about lec. So let's just talk about LCS to start off this time in North America in Santa Monica, couple miles down the street from where we both are right now. [00:27:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:27:51] Speaker A: Four series happen in League of Legends. Miselle, walk me through. First off to just the current standings. Just one of the standings of all the teams in the LCS. [00:28:00] Speaker B: Well, we have a tie first for Cloud 9 and Team Liquid at 3 and 0 each, both at the same game. Score too, boys. [00:28:07] Speaker A: And Blue on top again. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Yeah, true. Team Liquid will probably finish fourth anyways. Lion in third at 2 and 1. You got FlyQuest at 1 and 2 in fourth place. Fifth place is going to be Sentinels at 1 and 2 as well. Sixth is Shopify Rebellion at 1 and 2. Disguise seventh 1 and 2 and Dignitas are unfortunately 0 and 3. They won two games. [00:28:31] Speaker A: They've won two games. And we'll talk a lot about one of those games this weekend because they beat a game. They beat lion in a game last week. [00:28:38] Speaker B: Week. [00:28:38] Speaker A: And then they beat Team Liquid in a game this week. Somehow Dignitas, they're. They're just good for one and, and it was actually interesting. I we can just start with that because that's the national segue here. We had four series, but we'll kind of go in reverse order. Dig Teal was the last series of the weekend. We had Damonte on to cast with me and Kobe for two of the games, which is super fun. Shout out to the Mega Mullet meetup which Demonte has coined. And me and Kobe signed on for. We're gonna try and grow mullets. I don't know how I'm gonna do that, but we're gonna try and have mullets in a mullet meetup at the ASU Mullet arena for finals. But that was even the most shocking thing that happened on that cast. Dignitas won a game against Team Liquid and Demonte's opinion of them, it was fascinating having a coach who had worked with a lot of the players before just saying like, yeah, I think they're good. Like Damonte, the way he phrased it is there isn't a bad team in the LCS right now. There are better and worse teams, but he doesn't think that there is a true ass tier bad team like old immortals, like old Dignitas. Like even this Dignitas Rost, they've shown that they're good for winning games against lion and Team Liquid. And then you re look at the roster, you're like, yeah, I mean, maybe we just weren't giving them enough credit. Like FBI Ignar Bot, Lane Xu's had some good performances. Photon's an incredible top laner. Like I think that this roster actually can bring things together and find magic every now and then. But it just hasn't gotten them a series win yet, unfortunately. And the big thing is Palafox has been stepping in up in the mid lane. That's the one name I hadn't mentioned yet. But he recovering from his eye issue. Do you remember that? Did you follow that story? That was one that I feel like we haven't talked about much on broadcast or even talked with him about on broadcast. I want to kind of float by and be like, are you comfortable talking about that? I know it's like a health update and sometimes you don't want to mention that, you know, on, you know, camera. But it's something really interesting in his story that he was dealing with like a health issue in his eye for like a year and a half and that happens to coincide with a year and a half where he was, and then now that he's recovered from that and he's playing much better. So. Yeah. Even though they're at the bottom of the standings, how much faith do you have in Dignitas? Mazel. Do you think that they can punch up and get above eighth or are they still the solid eighth place team? [00:30:49] Speaker B: I think they're still a solid eighth team. [00:30:51] Speaker A: Okay. [00:30:51] Speaker B: Unfortunately, I. I love the people as people on their roster. I don't love the roster as players. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Okay. You don't think that they. They gel well together? [00:31:03] Speaker B: I just. I think I'm ready to see other talent besides Palafox, Ignar and FBI. FBI a little bit less so. But I think especially Palafox, and I think that's fair. [00:31:13] Speaker A: Especially a player like Palafox. He's had a lot of opportunities. What about a player like Xu? Because when I think back to Xu as like, how much stage time he's had, it's actually less than I think. [00:31:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:23] Speaker A: Because he. He was subbing in a lot and was only in for like half a split. [00:31:27] Speaker B: He's also in one of the most tumultuous, like, environments with real coaching. [00:31:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:31] Speaker B: No real direction for like a long roster. So. [00:31:34] Speaker A: So. So what do you think? Do you think that, like, we've seen enough of him or do you think that he still has more? [00:31:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I still believe in Lawrence, I think. [00:31:40] Speaker A: Okay. [00:31:40] Speaker B: I think that guy's so good. His mentality is so strong. I know he's like falling off a little bit in terms of his, like, strong mentality that he had when he was coming out of Tier 2, but I think his environment definitely helped that in a bad way. But I. I still believe in him for sure. [00:31:52] Speaker A: Hey, when I see him out jungle, I mean, yes, his Maokai game against Inspired was disastrous. [00:31:57] Speaker B: He should not be playing Mauka. [00:31:58] Speaker A: Yeah. But this week, like, he had a nocturn game game where Jose de Oto, who's been smashing everybody, I think he was playing Pantheon in this one, I want to say. And he like, was invading and taking away camps and like Xu went for like a level 3 gank as Nocturne bot failed the gank and then goes back to clearing. Ult's bot fails the gank, goes back to clearing, and after both those plays is still even in CS with Jose. And I was like, how the hell did he manage that? Like, this is Jose Deodo. [00:32:27] Speaker B: Lawrence is really pushing swell when he's playing aggressive picks, and that's not always the Jungle meta. But that's when he's gonna feel the most comfortable. [00:32:34] Speaker A: Sure. Yeah. Well, it was interesting to say the least. Dignito. [00:32:39] Speaker B: Just imagine if Toasty had gotten like five months of play. Just imagine. [00:32:43] Speaker A: I actually caught up with Toasty over in Berlin. I don't know if we talked about picture. [00:32:46] Speaker B: Yeah, you showed me. [00:32:47] Speaker A: The picture is awesome. He's doing well. He did. I did ask him Shout out for anybody who knows Toasty. He's a mid laner from tier 2 who's currently playing for G2S. [00:32:55] Speaker B: Also a great guy. [00:32:56] Speaker A: A great guy. Like 20 years old, young kid. But I asked him, I was like, what would it take to get you back to N A? And he was like, show me an offer. [00:33:04] Speaker B: Oh, God. [00:33:06] Speaker A: And I was like, if that's all [00:33:07] Speaker B: it takes, honestly, that's good news. [00:33:09] Speaker A: We just need to get a team to give him an offer. [00:33:11] Speaker B: Like, that's disgusting. That's. [00:33:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, moving on. Lion, Shopify, Rebellion. Because again, we're just gonna go reverse order because we started with the end. That was the first series on Sunday [00:33:22] Speaker B: on this wild ride with Kangas. Nobody knows we're going, but it's backwards. [00:33:25] Speaker A: No, I don't even know where we're going half the time. I definitely didn't know where this series was going. Shopify were in winning positions multiple times and just lying are too good. We did a whole bit where, because I always curse Shopify whenever I root for them and then when I don't believe in them, they win. We did a bit where I was lion believer and I, I, I was a rebel last week and I'm not a rebel this week now. I reformed. I, I grew out my hair, I got a good pair of clothes, good change of clothes. And I predicted Lion 10 0. They did not win Tenno, but they, they did win. So I guess I was right on my prediction. So if I want to be positive [00:34:03] Speaker B: in that way, the world just knew that you were faking being a Lion fans. [00:34:06] Speaker A: Maybe. Maybe the true secret is I can't actually have any expectations. [00:34:11] Speaker B: No thinking. [00:34:12] Speaker A: No thinking. Just. Just numbers. Just put them on the page. [00:34:16] Speaker B: I look good though. Not. Yeah, that's unfortunate. [00:34:19] Speaker A: Okay, Shopify look good for the first like 10 minutes, 15 minutes and then they, the wheels fall off after that. They just don't have that like synergy to, to connect at the objectives. Like Zinni is still a good mechanical player individually, but hot take that. [00:34:32] Speaker B: Man's not staying in the United States. [00:34:33] Speaker A: I don't think so. [00:34:35] Speaker B: He's like all Right. [00:34:36] Speaker A: Figured. [00:34:36] Speaker B: Figured out what's over here. I got good money. I am not gonna be here anymore. [00:34:40] Speaker A: Presumably. I don't know what Shopify actually. Shopify was one of the teams I heard had actually actual budget. [00:34:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, let's be real. Retro was on Twitter saying like, they dropped a bag for him. So I think it was a lot of money. [00:34:53] Speaker A: All right. Sentinel's Fly Quest was the other close series in the LCS this past weekend. Sentinels took it, baby. That was crazy. Dark Wings, I did not expect this outcome. I had fly quest2.0 and they were able to bounce back in that game too. But like, like games one and three were pretty solid and dominant from Sentinels. And I gotta say, I love to see Impact actually having a good series again. Like, he played the. His Shen, his signature pocket pick, and he popped off on it. He also looked much more serviceable on the Rumble. We don't talk about what happened on the Renekton in Game two, but like, Impact was not playing like a bum. And I think that that's the. The biggest thing that Sentinels need because Impact was on track to have a. A worse split. [00:35:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:39] Speaker A: Than last summer, which we notoriously were talking about. We were just frank on the broadcast. We're like, look, this, he's been around forever. He's one world. I think we can talk about how this is his worst split ever. And he was on track to have a worst split this year. This split. But he actually kind of brought it back. [00:35:53] Speaker B: So the Rahel was popping off, though. Going off. I love Dark Wing so much. Unfortunately, like, some of the games were really good from Dark Wing, but mostly, dude, Rael was just. Just gapping. [00:36:04] Speaker A: And that was a big narrative going in is Masu and Cryogen have been so good in Lane, but Rael and Huhi just fathered them in that bot lane. And even in Game two, that's where Sentinels got an early kill. Rahel and Huhi on the ash Seraphine actually were still kind of winning the bot Lane. But then Griffin was able to just kind of hard carry team fights and then that got flagged. [00:36:26] Speaker B: Busy jungle. [00:36:27] Speaker A: Yep. Is that what it's called? [00:36:28] Speaker B: Called? [00:36:29] Speaker A: I don't like that. Sorry. I just. I. I almost went past it. What you had actually said. I'm not gonna repeat it. Yeah. So shout out to Sentinels. [00:36:40] Speaker B: I think that this shout out to [00:36:41] Speaker A: Jin is really, really good. Shout out to Jin. Because Masu lost on it. [00:36:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:46] Speaker A: Yeah. I think Sentinels is a good team. I think that they were fraudulent in Being top three and how they got top three last split split. But that doesn't mean that they aren't capable of winning games and actually taking series against other teams around them. I still think they're worse than Cloud 9, Liquid and Lion. So that's why I say like frauds. But I think that they're still like one of the better teams. Like they're, they're. They're solid fourth. [00:37:10] Speaker B: And their comms are ridiculously chaotic. Yeah. Insane. When they kept. Kept doing the comms checks or like post like fight checks where they would like play the audio for fights and stuff. And like, like 3/4 of it is in Korean and then you just hear like who he trying to communicate a little bit in English. Like he's making calls in English and everybody else is responding in Korean. It's just like this very chaotic situation. Yeah, it's got to be interesting. [00:37:38] Speaker A: I. I really liked how that series played out just because it. It's always fun when there's like an air quotes upset. I did have Flyquest winning this one, but then now after this I'm like, nah. Sentinel are. Are the fourth place team. I actually think that they're. They. They've changed my mind. [00:37:54] Speaker B: They're struggling, bro. They are, they are. They are having a bad time. And I think the project that Pompous Smithy was envisioning is working well. [00:38:03] Speaker A: I think it still could. Cuz they solve all of summer split two. And the biggest takeaways that I have about this team is that Griffin is still a jungler. That when things don't go his way in the early game, he cannot stabilize. He is not. Not. [00:38:16] Speaker B: That was the whole problem too. Yeah, right. He literally looks so good if he's ahead, if he's behind, not existing. [00:38:24] Speaker A: And I think the same can be said also for our boy Kryra who big. I'm root for him as well over on Disguise, bro. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Just like that. [00:38:32] Speaker A: I think similar story for both of these young junglers is that when the wheels fall off, they do not have a pit crew. And we saw Blabber just kind of father Cryra as well. That was the big conversation we had going in is like, okay, so Blabber crushed Griffin, Griffin crushed Kryra. Does that mean that Kryra gets to crush Blabber or does that mean the Blabber is just like fathering all the young guys? [00:38:56] Speaker B: We also got to play Ambessa, which is unfair right now. [00:38:59] Speaker A: True, true. [00:38:59] Speaker B: And we got that champion is disgusting. [00:39:01] Speaker A: Thanatos Vayne in the Top lane. That was exciting as well, bro. [00:39:05] Speaker B: All the top laners playing range champions are so fake, bro. [00:39:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Hey, he played Scion in game one, so he. You get a tank, you get a rage carry. [00:39:15] Speaker B: That's not how top lane works. Works. [00:39:18] Speaker A: What's the phrase? Something want a cookie? [00:39:19] Speaker B: What's it probably want to crack? [00:39:21] Speaker A: Polly want to crack. Is that what. [00:39:23] Speaker B: Maybe I don't know how to really do with it. [00:39:27] Speaker A: I don't know where my mind was going there. Just confused myself. But either way, Cloud9 are still looking like they are so much better than the teams in like the bottom half of the standings. And they can still like look shaky against the teams close to them, but so far not dropped a series yet. And what was their strength of schedule again? They've played Sentinels and Lion. So they beat Sentinels and Lion and then just two out disguise. So they losing a game to Sentinels and Lion is like again where some of that shakiness comes in. But they're showing that they are still towards the top. Can they beat Team Liquid is the next question. They won't play for a while though, I don't think. Let's take a look at the schedule head. Oh, wow. That's not gonna be until week seven. Week seven is when we finally get Team Liquid C9. There's a chance that they're both undefeated. Still going into that. [00:40:12] Speaker B: No way. [00:40:13] Speaker A: You don't think so who does Team Liquid play? Teamworks. Last play, Sentinel, DSG, Lion. Oh, yeah, that's tough. And then C9 starts to play Flyquest as well. So. [00:40:23] Speaker B: Okay, let's see. [00:40:25] Speaker A: We'll see. But yeah, LCS was a fun weekend. Games to watch. I definitely think Sentinel's Fly Quest was fun. And then Dignitas TL for the dig win was very fascinating. Also, we talked about mullets for probably 30 minutes of that broadcast. [00:40:40] Speaker B: Congratulations. [00:40:41] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you. Let's move on to predictions. I forgot to fill these out. Let me throw these in real quick. [00:40:46] Speaker B: Let's just do it live off the. [00:40:49] Speaker A: That's a great point. We have both of us here. Badger also threw his in so we can include his. I got fly quest versus dig. Fly quest 2o kicking off Saturday. Badger has fly quest 21. Mezelle, what do you got? [00:41:00] Speaker B: Fly quest 21. [00:41:02] Speaker A: 21. You know what? Dig are always good for the one, aren't you? [00:41:06] Speaker B: Got the one, baby. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Oh, damn it. [00:41:08] Speaker B: All right, back se. [00:41:09] Speaker A: I'll switch it to fly 21 as well. And for to respect dignitas, I'll stop Disrespecting Dignitas and having everyone to them. [00:41:16] Speaker B: C9 is 2. Zero for me. [00:41:17] Speaker A: C9 Shopify. I will. Damn it. Oh, I was about to say I will also go 2o and then I [00:41:24] Speaker B: was like, the shop good for it, bro. They ain't good for it. [00:41:29] Speaker A: Okay, you know What? You're right, C920. Because then if Shopify matchy matchy, then if. If Shopify win, I can be like, haha, true. It was me. Dio. [00:41:38] Speaker B: Also, you do this on this podcast and then on your broadcast you do the other one. Then you're. [00:41:43] Speaker A: I have done that many times. [00:41:44] Speaker B: Times. [00:41:44] Speaker A: Many, many times I've done that. And I don't even intend to. It's just literally by the time Saturday comes around, I've changed my mind. And then I realized, oh, that was not consistent with my last prediction. But it is what it is. Sunday kicks off lion versus dsg. I got lion on the old two zero. Badgers got Lying on the two zero. Mazel's got Lion. [00:42:07] Speaker B: DSG two one. [00:42:09] Speaker A: Oh, baby. Hey, they were able to beat lion last split. I believe that they. They won that matchup because it was. Yeah, no, it was. It was hype. Cryra's first game was against Inspired and he wins. Like that was crazy. So hey, they've shown they can do it. [00:42:25] Speaker B: True. [00:42:25] Speaker A: They've shown they can do it. Team Logan versus Sentinels. This is a very exciting one. I got TL2. One. Badgers got TL2. Oh. What do you think, Misselle? [00:42:33] Speaker B: This may or may not be influenced by recent events. Sentinels 20020. May or May not be because Spawn grunted at me today in the kitchen. True. [00:42:46] Speaker A: I forgot about that story. Yeah, I forgot about that. [00:42:49] Speaker B: So you hear this, Spawn? This is my comeback. [00:42:51] Speaker A: This is your comeback. Of course. And that's gonna be it for the lcs. Yeah. Some fun games, some fun series this past weekend. I will not be on the show this coming weekend because I'm gonna be in Atlanta, Georgia for the Riftbound regional. So you'll catch Flowers and Aale play by play both days. But then I'll be any guest. Dude, I have been advocating for you guys to be like, hey, any weeks I'm not there, you still can. Give ail one day. But give some of the tier 2 guys another opportunity to guest in there. [00:43:22] Speaker B: They don't care. Just like the rest of tier two. They gotta. least it's all uniform. [00:43:27] Speaker A: At least they're consistent. [00:43:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:28] Speaker A: You know, if they started giving tier [00:43:29] Speaker B: 2 cash, why are we in this place right now. Stockholm syndrome. [00:43:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:37] Speaker A: LEC also happened this past weekend. Okay. You're just pointing out on the doc how I had Shopify and stuff. Yeah, I was wrong. Yeah. It is officially the least accurate prediction or the most wrong prediction in the history of lcs. [00:43:53] Speaker B: At least we got. [00:43:55] Speaker A: It's fine. [00:43:56] Speaker B: All right. Anyways, okay. [00:43:57] Speaker A: Lec, that was a chaotic transition as we try to get to the eu. LEC happened this past weekend. Again, I did not have any opportunity to catch the games. I caught last like a little bit of Vitality, GX or sorry, NA VGX on Saturday morning. But I was prepping for the Riftbound regional that I'm casting this coming weekend. So all I can do is give an update on the standings and kind of who beat whom and then some predictions for next weekend. Actually, M. Since I have you here, let's break it up. Talk to me about the standings of the lec. [00:44:27] Speaker B: There's so many teams, a lot of teams. [00:44:30] Speaker A: And also I want to get your thoughts on. On how it's ordered because lcs, Saskate Leo had some thoughts about this on Twitter of how the hell did they order who's 1st to 10th because not everyone's played the same number of series. [00:44:43] Speaker B: That is true. [00:44:44] Speaker A: So first give me who's in which positions and then give me your thoughts on how they might have organized it. [00:44:49] Speaker B: Okay. Team vitality is in first place at 5 and 1 with a 69% game win. Presented. Nice. Giant X is 4 and 0. Undefeated. Only lost two games. In second place. Navi is third three and I don't [00:45:03] Speaker A: think I updated this. I'm sorry, I just realized I was like. But GX just lost. My bad. [00:45:07] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:45:08] Speaker A: Use the one over here on the other screen. [00:45:09] Speaker B: Well, there you go. We're going to restart. Team Vitality have already locked in playoffs, going 6 and 1 now with not a 69% game prison. That just messes up everything. [00:45:20] Speaker A: Oh, no. [00:45:23] Speaker B: Obvious at second place. [00:45:25] Speaker A: The first time that's happened. [00:45:28] Speaker B: They're. They're looking pretty good. Carmine core is at 3 and 0 now, still undefeated. Only lost one game in third place. Giant X is now now fourth place at 4 and 2. [00:45:38] Speaker A: Yeah, they lost twice. [00:45:39] Speaker B: That's tough. G2 is 3 and 2. Fifth place tied up with McCoy at also 3 and 2, same game score. Fnatic is seventh. That's unfortunate for them. 1 and 3 still a lot of games to catch. [00:45:53] Speaker A: One win though is G2. So they're riding high on that. [00:45:55] Speaker B: That's all that matters. SK is eighth with a 2. 6 record. My God, they've played a lot of games compared to other teams. Shifters is 9, 0 and and 4 unfortunate there. They won one game at least better than we team Heretics's 10th place rounding out 1 and 6. No idea how this is ordered right. In any way, shape or form. [00:46:19] Speaker A: So the running theory right now. [00:46:21] Speaker B: I. I have they not released the information. [00:46:24] Speaker A: So this is just the official Riot standings. I don't know if they've made a statement on it, but else Ellie or. Sorry. LCS stats guy. Leo. [00:46:32] Speaker B: Leo. [00:46:33] Speaker A: We've had him. Leo. Mz. [00:46:34] Speaker B: Leo. [00:46:34] Speaker A: The chosen. [00:46:35] Speaker B: Yes, he's chosen. [00:46:36] Speaker A: He's chosen. It's. It's casual but people talk about it. He was talking about it on his Twitter about. He has no idea how this is organized and somebody commented on his post about that and then he retweeted that comment saying I think this is it is. It is percentage chance of making playoffs. So team heretics 1 in 6 have the lowest percentage chance of making playoffs. Shifters have a lower percent chance than SK despite having a technical. No, it's. It's not even as good of a game record. Yeah, they haven't won a series yet. Yeah. Yeah. And like Carmine core, even though they're 3.0Undefeated, technically they have a lesser chance of making playoffs than Navi at 4 and 1 because Navi are like. Like more wins in the bucket, closer to making it. It. It's weird that it's. From what I understand that's not confirmed, but that is. The running theory is that it's organized and structured by percentage chance of making playoffs. [00:47:36] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:47:36] Speaker A: But then what happens when teams make playoffs? [00:47:39] Speaker B: Like right now? [00:47:39] Speaker A: Like. Like, yeah, vitality is locked. So like, does that mean that they're just locked in that top? Like how I'm confused. We're all confused. [00:47:46] Speaker B: We're not numbers. [00:47:47] Speaker A: You also had pointed out that some of these teams have barely played like three games for Carmine Core, three series [00:47:53] Speaker B: for Carmine Core, whereas others have played for sk. That's crazy. [00:47:57] Speaker A: SK is their entire season will be done next. Not this coming weekend, but week six. And the reason is because the two road shows. There's a road show this weekend in LEC this coming weekend and a road show on week seven. And KC is on both. So six of their nine got to [00:48:12] Speaker B: bring in the people, bro. [00:48:13] Speaker A: And more importantly. [00:48:14] Speaker B: Oh, and they gave them easy opponent, bro. They gave Fanatic shifters. They gave KC shifters. They. Oh my God. They gave Navi. Dude, that's just like reaping the benefits. Dude, you just want to go out there to a stadium to watch people people beat other people. [00:48:26] Speaker A: NA and Casey are going to get a lot of wins. I imagine this coming weekend. [00:48:30] Speaker B: That feels like it's skew. Like that's so weird. [00:48:33] Speaker A: So it's Casey hosting this coming weekend and I believe they get to invite the teams. And then is McCoy hosting the final weekend And I believe they got to invite the team. [00:48:41] Speaker B: They're like let's give our guys [00:48:44] Speaker A: the. The literally the number 1, 2, 3, 4 like placing. This is all the top four finishes from playoffs last split and then. And Casey said give us the. Except for Navi who's who are actually looking pretty good. [00:48:59] Speaker B: Yeah. So they have like two or three teams that are good each time. There's just one team that gets invited each road show that's just there to get on. [00:49:07] Speaker A: Well gx, the conversation we had last week was like are they frauds? I thought the Navi were. I thought yes they were. But Navi were bigger frauds. So I actually had GX beating Navi. Did not happen. Let's talk about that. So what happened actually in the matchups, navi did beat GX2 to one. That was the big one that I kind of split with the the cast as well as the meme. I. I always thought SK was good for a 2 0. Turns out they're not. [00:49:31] Speaker B: Nope. [00:49:32] Speaker A: They did in fact lose to G2 in spectacular fashion. Then Vitality beat GX, MCOID beat Team Heretics, G2 beat Shifters and then Casey beat SK. We had a lot of one sided match ups in terms of expectations and not a lot of differentiating opinions on the podcast. Badger, I think shifter because he. [00:49:54] Speaker B: Holy crap. [00:49:55] Speaker A: G2 can't win clean like 20 in a weekend or something like that. I forget exactly what his reason. [00:49:59] Speaker B: He went five for six. [00:50:01] Speaker A: Yeah, Bickle went six for six. Bickle actually popped off on his predictions. I went four for two and actually currently on the standings update, I'm 22 and seven in LEC all time right now. Miselle, that's like the best I've ever done. And that means I'm probably fake news cursing future generations or something. [00:50:17] Speaker B: True. [00:50:18] Speaker A: But yeah, that's what happened. [00:50:20] Speaker B: It's also all on a sheet that like you have access to that you can like change and edit. Right. Like that's the. [00:50:27] Speaker A: I do technically have the ability to change this. [00:50:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:29] Speaker A: And I am the one that also updates. [00:50:31] Speaker B: Yeah, you are. It's not. Not sus. Non sus whatsoever. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Cross my heart. I'M an honest predictor like that. Even though I change it between what's on this sheet and what I do on broadcast. [00:50:42] Speaker B: What's on this sheet is what is [00:50:43] Speaker A: marked as official predictions. All right, let's do this Week four predictions. We have three more matchups. Again, this is the road show where it is only four teams that are playing on the entire weekend. Shifters versus Fanatic. I got Fnatic 2 1. Badgers got Fnatic 21 0. [00:51:01] Speaker B: Fanatic 2 0. [00:51:02] Speaker A: Fnatic for Mazel. I think both these teams are pretty ass. Navi vs Casey is the only good matchup for the entire weekend. I got Casey 2 1. Badgers got Casey 21 1. Misselle now has KC2 1. Outside of this, I think that these are all going to be stomps. I know Fnatic won the game against G2 or the series G2. And people like are still taking that to the bank. I don't think that that means much. I got Navi 20. Badges got Navi 20. [00:51:27] Speaker B: Mezelle Na' Vi 21. [00:51:30] Speaker A: Navi 21. Okay. KC versus Shifters. Yep. Two zeros across the board. [00:51:37] Speaker B: Shifters are there for one reason and [00:51:39] Speaker A: to get shifted on. Speaking of there against Navi, I got Navi 20. [00:51:44] Speaker B: Yep. [00:51:45] Speaker A: And you know what I'm realizing that is going to put shifters. Let's see. They, they. This is three. They have two more series in the next week against eliminated 100. They might be able to beat team Heretics, who are also bad. But there's a chance that they go winless this split. They've already changed their roster twice. Once in the off season and then once mid split. Now has not helped them. They are in the Casey. Sorry, that's team Heretics. But either way, either way. KC versus Fanatic. I got Casey 2 0. Badgers got 2 0. Mizel 2 1. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Casey. [00:52:21] Speaker A: Casey 2 1. You're giving Fnatic at least a game [00:52:23] Speaker B: and two of their series a game. [00:52:26] Speaker A: Hey, that's. Yeah, that's. That's. That's enough. [00:52:29] Speaker B: That's something sometimes. [00:52:29] Speaker A: And you're having them two zero. Shifters. Mizel. Good week. Confirmed. [00:52:34] Speaker B: Yes. [00:52:35] Speaker A: And that's gonna be it for sec Predictions again. Sorry, everybody. There wasn't a lot of breakdown on like what actually happened again. I wasn't able to catch all the games, but we played corrected for this next. [00:52:46] Speaker B: We played rock, paper scissors. So, you know, that kind of makes up for him. [00:52:49] Speaker A: We did play rock, paper, scissors and they still don't know who won. Rat bastard. [00:52:52] Speaker B: That's true. [00:52:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Mizel you had also plugged something in our pre show. I'd love for you to plug it again here because it's been a minute since we've had you on the podcast. What have you been working on? You've been working on a cool project on your own, right? Yeah. [00:53:03] Speaker B: So I've been doing NACL interviews called Making It With Mazel, where I talk to players in Tier two and Tier three about what it's like to make it as a pro player right now and give them a space to kind of talk about what they want. And that's not kind of guided or directed in a lot of ways, so they can kind of feel free to be comfortable. It's on my YouTube. Go search up @mazzelle casts on YouTube and the first two episodes are up. I'll have more episodes once I have more time to edit. I am very busy, unfortunately, but I have a bunch in the pipeline and they'll be coming out like a couple times every week. Hopefully about 15 minutes or so a piece. One of them was a little bit longer because Zamuto decided to bring in people at the last second because they were all playing, say, Slay the Spire together. Hell yeah. But yeah, go check it out. I got to talk to the NRG boys. That was super fun. Who are still undefeated in Tier two. And I got to talk to Sam again ahead of what he was hoping to be Blue Otter Spring, but it is not. [00:53:58] Speaker A: Yeah, but hey, still, shout out to Miselle for making content again. That's at Mazel Cat Casts. Search that on YouTube. Go subscribe to his channel and check out his content. Because you said you have more banked up. [00:54:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I have like three or four that are already recorded and then I have more getting recorded this next week. [00:54:13] Speaker A: Hey, we love tier 2 content. We love just League content in general. Unless your name is Fly Quest or turn down for Walt, apparently. [00:54:21] Speaker B: Just do it better, bro. Yeah, do it better. [00:54:23] Speaker A: That's going to be it for this week's episode of the League rundown, though. Thanks so much for tuning in, everybody. If you could leave us a review. Mizella, how many stars would you recommend they love Believe on their podcast listening platform of choice? [00:54:35] Speaker B: Well, since we are in a physical space right now, I'm going to count these five tufts of of linen on your bed sheets. [00:54:43] Speaker A: Yep, I believe so. [00:54:44] Speaker B: There's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. I think that's the same amount of stars that we should leave. [00:54:49] Speaker A: That's a good amount of stars. And if you note the way that the lines are distributed, it kind of looks like somebody flipping you off. [00:54:56] Speaker B: True. [00:54:57] Speaker A: Kind of trust. [00:54:57] Speaker B: True. Is that what you wake up with every. [00:55:00] Speaker A: That's just my internal dialogue at all times. It's just assuming that, you know. [00:55:04] Speaker B: Wake up with the haterade. [00:55:05] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:55:07] Speaker B: Five stars. [00:55:08] Speaker A: Five stars, everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in and helping us grow the podcast. With those reviews and with telling your friends about us and with joining the community discord and with your presence. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:19] Speaker A: And with. I'm running out of things. [00:55:21] Speaker B: Understandable. [00:55:22] Speaker A: All right, we love you, and we'll see you next time. [00:55:24] Speaker B: Bye. Bye. [00:55:24] Speaker A: Bye. Bye. [00:55:25] Speaker B: Hit it, Caillou. Sam.