Episode Transcript
[00:00:31] Speaker A: At the table with Messiah tanking it up. I do not believe he just leaves.
I cannot understand this game.
Unicorns of love. It was the nexus.
Hello and welcome to another episode of the League rundown. This is episode 521 and it is the LEC playoffs continued and the LCS week four preview. This episode is lovingly entitled the one Team region strikes again. I am your host, Kangas, and I am joined this week by two esteemed co hosts. This is going to be a lean cast, but we got first and foremost the ever present Jack Soman.
[00:01:32] Speaker B: Twitch tv Jacksallman. I stream most evenings, come watch me beat the shit out of emerald mid laners and still lose my game sometimes.
[00:01:41] Speaker A: Are you also streaming Persona? Cause you talked to the patrons about your Persona adventures.
[00:01:47] Speaker B: I am currently playing Persona three portable on my switch, and when I have a reason to take a break from league, I am streaming that. Or if I just don't want to play league because I'm not in a league mood.
[00:02:00] Speaker A: Cool. Well, maybe you'll also catch some Persona gameplay.
[00:02:03] Speaker B: It is also definitely not something I am saving for stream.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: Understandable. Well, we also have joining us the one, the only, Bickle.
[00:02:12] Speaker C: Wait, it's all g two? It always has been, yo.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: Always has been, baby.
Yeah, there was some gameplay that happened this weekend, but I'm only aware of some of it because, full disclosure, it was a long weekend for me. I was traveling for a cousin's wedding. I had my own NaCl casts as well as my sister, then visiting me from out of town with her kids. A lot of family time, a lot of fun, not a lot of time to watch League of Legends. So we're gonna play a game this episode called Jackson Bickle. Tell me what the fuck happened in Lec, because they only. Do they know what happened? I watched one series, I caught BdsMdk because I heard about it and how ridiculous game three was. So I actually decided to like, maybe I should go watch that one. And it lived up to how ridiculous I heard that one was. But we'll get into Lec in a bit because first off, some global news. Lec games are going to be Sunday this next week. Put on your calendar. We do not have Friday Saturday Sunday games. You do not have Saturday Sunday games. We have Sunday Monday Tuesday games. Something which I wasn't even aware of until Jax said it in our discord. So, Jax, how did you find out? Is this like, known information, or is this like, did they sneak this under the radar again?
[00:03:23] Speaker B: I think they said something on the broadcast, but I found this out because someone I was watch partying with commented on it and I was like, wait, what? And then we went to Lol esports website and confirmed the schedule is actually listed that way. My assumption, valorant tournament or something going on.
[00:03:40] Speaker C: It's the finals of split two of EMEA and they're being held in that studio that weekend.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: Makes sense. Makes sense. Well, do you want to give a shout out to the discord viewer? Do you know their name? Maybe we can give a shout out to them because they are saving our schedules because now we know how to schedule for next week's recording.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: Matthias gets shouted out often enough.
[00:04:02] Speaker A: Okay, there we go. Sweet.
Yeah. So make sure that you have your calendars marked correctly. But we do have lcs starting up this next weekend, so that will be fun. I believe that one's just Saturday Sunday, right? Unless sweet. LCS Saturday, Sunday, Lec Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. So honestly, that's good news because it means we have more League of Legends on more days. And your days of watching League of Legends will be a little shorter, which I think is cool. Sucks though, if you do have a job, especially if you're on the us side of things and you want to watch Lec. Or maybe you could watch in your, your commute, maybe it's a positive. Who knows? Who am I to judge? We don't have.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: Please do not watch Lec while you are driving.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: You can listen.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: That's fine.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah, there we go. Listen, is league day back and then sneak it up on your second monitor at work.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Or on your phone with like the one bluetooth airpod in or something like that.
We do not have mister Ms. LPl for the LPL update, but I'm going to guess games were played and some teams won, some teams lost.
[00:05:04] Speaker C: I can give you a budget, mister mizelpl update.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: We got a budget. Okay, wait, we need to come up with a nickname for you then. It's not Miselle Pl, it's the lipple Bickel.
[00:05:14] Speaker C: Oh, dear God.
But yeah. For team ascend. Right now, only undefeated teams are lng at three and. Oh, Billy. Billy started up their split now at two. And ominally undefeated teams winless. Teams in team ascend are LgD at zero three and ninjas in pajamas at zero three.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: Nobody cares about ascend, right? It's all about Nirvana Bickle. That's all I know.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: That's all.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: I hear people talking about Twitter. It's a nirvana group, which is the gulag of the worst.
[00:05:45] Speaker C: And at the bottom of the gulag likely to never get out. Is the one and only royal never give up?
[00:05:53] Speaker B: No.
[00:05:54] Speaker A: They've fallen so far.
[00:05:56] Speaker C: Zero three in the gulag bottom rough and honestly, I don't know if things are going to get better for them. OMG and Ra currently sit at the top of nirvana with we, but really still early, still anyone's game and jumping minorly to the other eastern region of the LCK. They're about to finish up their first round robin of the split and there are ten teams in the LCK, but there's really only six we care about. The bottom four are the bottom four and it's going to stay that way. The big question for the bottom four is will. Ok, bro, pick up a win this season as they are currently zero eight.
[00:06:40] Speaker A: Oh, in best of three series. Right.
[00:06:42] Speaker C: In best of three series, they are zero eight with a four in 16 game score.
[00:06:46] Speaker A: Okay, bro.
[00:06:47] Speaker B: At least they have won four games. They just haven't won any series.
[00:06:52] Speaker C: Exactly. Top of the standings, gen G 800:160. Undefeated in the LCK. Currently they are the top team, full stop. Nothing has looked competitive like, it's just a matter of are they going to go undefeated through this entire split? I think, like one or two more season series wins clinches them for playoffs, which, because they won MSI, clinches them for worlds.
[00:07:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:19] Speaker C: So they may very well be the first team in the world to qualify for worlds, but really nothing too exciting. I talked up the gen g dk game last week. It was a slaughter. They're playing again this coming week. Honestly, you don't have to watch it.
[00:07:33] Speaker B: All right, bickle. Way too early. Prediction. Do you think gen g this year has what it takes to finally complete a golden road?
[00:07:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I was going to say the same thing.
[00:07:44] Speaker B: No, because I don't think.
[00:07:47] Speaker C: I think it is. You need to be too good for too long across too many meta shifts. I think we have seen teams that have been at that peak able to do it, that have just been screwed by the meta.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: I'm just saying gen g is such a good team. Make it to semifinals and finals at worlds before they lost the golden road.
[00:08:08] Speaker C: Exactly. I just.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: G two. Yeah.
[00:08:11] Speaker C: I think it's too much. I don't think they can do it.
I'd be pleasantly surprised if they could, but I just don't think it's a thing that's going to happen.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: So it's your take isn't so much. You don't think gen g will do it as you don't think anyone, period. I don't ever think it.
[00:08:29] Speaker C: It is something that is so damn hard.
Gen G right now looks phenomenal.
If you told. If people told me they thought they could, I'd understand it. I just don't think it's going to happen.
[00:08:42] Speaker A: Okay. Two. Two things off of that first thing, world. I think that they can get to the same point where they win summer, and then it's the narrative at worlds. I think. I honestly think that based on if.
[00:08:54] Speaker C: They don't win summer, it's a problem.
[00:08:56] Speaker A: Yeah. So it seems like. Like that will be the narrative for them at worlds, but the problem is twofold. One, the meta changes much more between end of summer and worlds than throughout summer. Typically. Typically, there's, like, a world's patch, right, where they, like, suddenly corky and a zero getting buffed. Stuff like that happens. Number two is that you're no longer against all of the lck. You're against the top of the lck with the top of the LPL. G two's there. And they historically have matched up pretty well against korean teams. So, like, well, I guess maybe not as much in recent times, but, you know, like, yeah, they gotta go back.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: A few years, and then that's, yeah.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: Competition heavier at worlds, though, than in your own region.
[00:09:35] Speaker C: We've seen teams have great runs through spring, MSI, and summer come into worlds and just get screwed by the meta. I think the biggest identifier or biggest view of that is look at 2018 RNG, who were dominating an ad carry focused meta for spring, MSI, and summer. Then suddenly you get to worlds. What's this? It's solo lane. They're screwed.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: No, no, no.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: Trogs, ergot top lane.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: You need to set that narrative correctly if you're gonna call back to 2018. It's game five. Yarn and Inwood did. Beating the shit out of your bot lane.
That's what stopped RNG's golden road.
[00:10:16] Speaker A: That was great.
[00:10:17] Speaker B: One of the greatest series we have ever had, by the way.
[00:10:21] Speaker C: 2018 worlds was so good.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: That was, I think, my favorite worlds of all time. I know, like, 2022 finals narrative and even 2023 finals narrative. Or like, that. Just t one. Fighting through the LPL was great, but, like, all of 2018 was good.
[00:10:36] Speaker C: Even 22 was so good. But it's 2018.
The fall of Korea across the entire tournament leads to the first China versus EU finals. We ignore how all the games went for EU when they finally had to face Ig, but aside from that, phenomenal KT versus Ig. Mwah.
[00:10:55] Speaker A: And in the. In the group fnatic IG was really fun. They had some really good series. Fung vu Buffalo that like during play ins was like a psychotic. I loved watching them play.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: That was also the worlds where three quarters of the semifinals teams were western teams.
[00:11:12] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:11:14] Speaker A: Remember when c nine beat the last korean team? Okay, you know what, we we could reminisce about this for ages. That was the LCK update.
[00:11:27] Speaker C: Gen G. Really good, bro. Really bad.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. There's only a little bit of other news to cover. One specific roster swap up in the LCS, it was announced by Shopify Rebellion in kind of unceremonious fashion. Boogie the jungler is back to starting position and they are benching tomio. That was a big change going into summer. Tomio was riding the bench. He was an active player on the roster or not active player. Sorry, he was listed as a player on the roster, but he was riding the bench. He didn't get any stage time in spring. Big change into summer was okay, we're going to start tomeo. Maybe that'll work. Maybe they'll fix things. In the Twitter post, the video that they put out explaining this, it was basically saying that they were liking leadership. The comms weren't great, decisions were being made and they're just kind of hoping boogie fixes that with his veteran ship.
But it is disappointing to see the last place team make a change. Taking out their rookie jungler that people are excited for.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: Forgot about this change and I just went and updated my prediction on their series because I forgot about this and I'm so salty that they did this.
[00:12:32] Speaker C: It sounds like they're like, we need to make a change and this change is for free and we don't have to pay anybody extra to bring them onto the roster.
[00:12:41] Speaker A: Yep.
It also feels like, what the hell are we doing? Do you really try to make playoffs at this point? I just. I don't know what the goal is for a team that hasn't picked up a win yet.
When you're at this point, other than like making a Hail Mary to win, I don't think that that, in my opinion, making playoffs and bombing out immediately because your roster still isn't going to be as good as everybody else is not a better brand move than just sticking with the rookie jungler that's hilarious in content and people have already started to become fans of even if that player is not excelling. Like every piece, every time you put a camera in front of Tomio, I chuckle like, he's just a funny guy and like the community's picked up on other players love riffing with him and talking with him like he was very welcomed in the league. So I just, I so curious why these types of decisions are made. Would love to hear from the shopify, you know, management team on the league side to kind of talk through that. Sometimes we get folks like that on the podcast. Maybe it's worth reaching out, but we'll see how the weekend looks with Boogie. I still think people are excited to see Boogie because as it's kind of like a. You love them both. Like, I want Toby to do well. I want to see him keep growing. But also boogie is, I think, a good jungler that deserves a starting spot in a region. So it's not like I dislike seeing Boogie back, but it's just sad that Tomio's going to be right on the bench because of it.
Yeah. So that's the roster news, and that kind of covers things for the news section, which means if anybody else wants to update us on things going around, maybe in some of the minor regions, we don't cover those very much or give their thoughts on the news. Jax, where can people hang out? Where can people find us if they want to chat?
[00:14:28] Speaker B: We have a community discord. The link should be in the episode description. Come join the discord, come play games, come hang out. We do all sorts of shit.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: Yeah, we do a lot of shit.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: Bully Duffy into finally letting me have an anime channel we still don't have.
[00:14:43] Speaker A: Wait, I have admin power now. We can change this right now.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: Okay? But it doesn't mean anything unless I can bully Duffy into letting me have it. I bullied him into giving me a path of exile channel. He was very unhappy about it. I just have to bully him until he gives me an anime channel.
[00:15:04] Speaker A: I respect the hell out of that anime.
[00:15:05] Speaker B: And then I can spam deer memes.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: There is that dear meme. Like the suplex, the dad suplex, and the deer or whatever. I've seen that one before.
[00:15:16] Speaker B: There's a current anime called my dear friend Noko Tom that is pure meme. Brain rock.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: Beautiful, sweet.
All right, maybe we'll get that going at some point. Come join the discord. Also, shout out to everybody who supports the patreon.
Me and Duffy are actively getting stuff uploaded as of right now, as of today. So hopefully if you go check the Patreon once this episode is live, you should start to see things already up there. Again, sorry that we're going to have a large influx of past episodes going up and we'll be trickling those in over the next week or two here, but then hopefully we'll catch up and have smooth sailing from there. Not that Patreon has fixed anything or gotten me access. Me and Duffy have just agreed I'll have access to his account, which is currently connected to our Patreon account. So yeah, I see Bickle saying WTF to something. I just got tagged in the discord. Is this something we can say? Oh, I see it right now. There's the deer brain rot anime. Beautiful. Thank you for that, Jake. All right, let's get into the LEC that did in fact happen week one of playoffs.
[00:16:23] Speaker C: You said brain rot.
[00:16:24] Speaker A: Perfect league for it, perfect segue. Because there was a lot of brain rot that happened, from what I hear, a lot of entertaining series as well. Again, a reminder from the beginning of the episode, I did not catch many of these. So this will be me in real time reacting to Jackson Pickle explaining what happened in the LEC. According to predictions. It's basically what we thought. Jax, shout out to you and Mazelle for having perfect predictions for who's going to win. Not perfect like game scores in the series, but at least he got all the teams right, so that's awesome. Yup. But let's just start at the top and then move our way down. First series was SK versus team heretics and SK was able to walk away with that one 20. How clean was it, though? Cause I thought it should be pretty dominant.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: It was brutal and one sided. Do not watch the series. Heretics just bombed out super hard.
[00:17:20] Speaker C: The most entertaining thing is when Nisky tries to one v one a tower and loses as Ziggs.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: Yup. What? He's not kidding.
[00:17:29] Speaker C: They kill somebody topside. So Nisky goes to start pushing the wave and he starts trying to take the tower and he has the zig satchel to knock it down and he doesn't get the tower low enough and he dies to the tower.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: That's amazing.
[00:17:42] Speaker B: Yup. This was a.
[00:17:43] Speaker C: It doesn't matter though. SK just demolished heretics.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: Okay, cool. Maybe go find like, a clip of that on like, YouTube shorts or something. I'm sure that you'll be able to find that if you just google it, but avoid the rest of that one. 20 for SK. We all had two o, except for Hawk, who thought maybe team heritage would have a game in them.
But yeah. Next up on that day was BDS versus MDK. Oh, baby.
[00:18:09] Speaker C: If I had a nickel for every time MDK managed to throw a ten k gold lead this season, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot of, but it's weird that it happened twice.
[00:18:19] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: It's.
This is the most entertaining series of the entire weekend from LeC, I think it was.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: We usually do at the end, like our must watch series or much watched games. This is definitely one of those guys.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: I mean, we got to see Twitch. That was fun, though, if we want to start with game one. Haven't seen Twitch in a while. I don't know if he's played, like, LpL or Elsky. I don't really watch those regions. But, you know, it was nice to see him occasionally pop off. But Supa also had a bit of a pop off, I think maybe had something to do with the support differential going on, too.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: Yeah, Alvaro, like, in all three games, Alvaro kind of had Lebrov's number, and it just kind of showed. Cause in all three games, Supa and Alvaro just kind of shit on ice. And Le Brav just straight up in.
[00:19:08] Speaker A: The two v two, which is weird because, like, ice. I mean, maybe two v in lane isn't necessarily where we always see him get his leads, but we've seen ice get leads in lanes, and we've seen him also translate those into crazy late game fights, but they were just struggling. I don't think it was as much ice from my pov. It seemed like Lebrov was definitely, like, just plain disrespectful. Like, braum can fight you. Just cause you're the noddles of the Braum doesn't mean that you can just walk up into brushes and just, like, tank queues and autos and stuff. It's dangerous to have the Braum passive stack on you.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: Exactly. And honestly, there wasn't much else to game one. Mad Lions just kind of leveraged super, and Alvaro being super ahead just shut down the rest of the map. Adam's gnar into the Camille from Merwin was brutal. I don't like Adam on Gnar to begin with, but, like, you put Camille against him, there's nothing gnar can ever do. That's one of the worst gnar matchups that exists.
[00:20:04] Speaker C: Whatever you do, don't go back and watch the tempted one v. One that occurs up topside between Adam and Merwin that is the most.
[00:20:12] Speaker A: Oh, my God, dude.
[00:20:14] Speaker C: Both of them should be able to solo kill the other, and they both managed to fuck it up consecutively.
[00:20:20] Speaker A: That was the moment that I'm pretty sure somebody pulled the fire alarm. Cause there was definitely a gas leak in the Lec studio. Like, that was.
That was ridiculous.
[00:20:32] Speaker B: So game one is the one that mad lions win. They win this very convincingly.
[00:20:39] Speaker A: But then game two comes around, and it starts.
[00:20:43] Speaker B: Man, it starts even more one sided for Madden than game one was like, this looked like it was just gonna be a quick 20 series, the opposite direction of what everyone thought. It was gonna be.
[00:20:55] Speaker A: Super. Yet again carrying. This time, they got the double ad carry composition, too. So you're like, oh, God, the Trisandre is gonna melt these turrets. Full item, Tristana. And it's like, oh, they don't even have great engage into it, too. It's like rell and Renekton, which is like, it's okay. Those are options, but it's not like a point and click nautilus ult or like a Leona or anything like that. Yeah, yeah.
But then right at the end, it's just one baron fight. That's all they need.
[00:21:23] Speaker B: Yeah, this was. This was the, like, single fight throw. Like, mad Lions was winning this game until they weren't just abruptly, I think this throw while. Yeah, it was a 10,000 goldie. They shouldn't be losing from that. This one's more excusable. Cause it was, like, one really bad play. That BDS then was just like, cool. We're caught back up. We're the better team. Deal with it.
[00:21:48] Speaker C: It wasn't even. That was only just. MDK has the lead. He's trying to take the baron. Nuke and ice show up. I sits a major ulti with the aphelios kills most of them. They take the bear, and they end the game.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a fight lightning fast. And it honestly, BDS were doing all right up until that point. They were controlling the dragons. They were getting good fights. Nuke had a really good game overall. It's just that then things slipped away around kind of the first baron, because, like, MDK, you get the first baron, then they translate that into a dragon, and they're getting that gold lead like you're talking about, wait for the second baron. And they just botched the execution at that one. So that was tough. That was like, okay, MDK feels like they should have won that one. Not quite able to, but it's promising. It's like, okay, maybe they can actually take the series. Cause BDS seems like they're getting pushed to the limit here.
And then they pushed it a little harder. Game three. Cause this is the one that people are talking about. Game three was just. Everyone was on laughing gas, man.
[00:22:54] Speaker C: MDK should have won this series three, nothing.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: Yeah, you're not wrong. And this one, this one is the egregious throw, because this was mad lions making bad decisions for, like, ten or 15 minutes straight to get BDS back into this game. This was not a one and done. BDS wins a miracle fight and wins the game off of it.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: Between 27 minutes into the game and 35 minutes into the game is the span it takes for that 10,000 gold lead to disappear. That's eight minute time span. It's just like, throw, throw, throw, throw, throw.
[00:23:30] Speaker C: But then from 37 minutes into the game to 40 minutes into the game, they get a seven k gold lead again. It's not even like they throw the game, and then BDS just takes it and wins. No. MDK gets a massive lead, throws it all away, which BDS then says, no, please, you take it. At which point MDK says, us. No, we insist you.
[00:23:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:52] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: So let's go back and talk about how the comeback happens. To start it is the most ridiculous elder dragon setup fight. MDK is getting everything they have dragon soul. They have the 10,000 gold lead, and then they just set up elder Dragon start hitting it. Merwin says, I'm going to just face tank everybody, and I'm Cassante. I'll survive, but your cassante into a jinx and a corki that are both hitting you. And they actually shred through with Ldr pretty fast. And then Merwin's dead, and then everyone just panics. They're like, fuck, we don't have a frontline. What's going on? Lebrov's blitzcrank was also pretty fun, because just the way he played that fight, if you go back and watch, it's not the hooks, it's the holding of the hooks. He would just run at people and they're like, shit. And everybody scatters, and then he doesn't press q like, well, you can't walk back up to the blitzkrieg. He still has his cue.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: This was also, I believe, the first zephyrs we got to see in the LEC.
[00:24:53] Speaker C: And that's what's even better about the fact that Merwin just says, I'm going to face tank everything. He's the only person who can eat a hook and live, because he can just w immune it. Everybody else, they get hooked, they're dead instantly. Even Alvaro on that Rakan, he's only got a war mugs and a knight's valve. He's really damn squishy. Two full build ad carries.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: And also, Merwin's really the only one that can tank up an elder dragon comfortably, too. So ambitious. Call for BDS to go for that. Or sorry for MDK to go for that. BDS hard punished. They get elder. All the shutdown gold from getting the kills. They take mid turret on their way to Baron, and then they get the baron, and it's like, okay, well, the gold leads gone. They're going to win. Elder, Baron, buff, surely they end the game.
They don't.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: They don't fucking.
I think the series had, what, three elders in it or something stupid.
[00:25:48] Speaker C: This game had three barons, two elders, and a dragon soul.
[00:25:53] Speaker B: Jesus.
[00:25:53] Speaker A: Just this game alone, and it was only 42 minutes. It wasn't even like a Giga late game. Like, 42 is late, but that's not unreasonably late for a late game.
But, I mean, everybody was full build by the end, pretty much. I don't think anybody was sitting on control wards, save for, like, the supports. So, yeah, then MDK still get the second elder dragon, but they can't close out from there. They win, like, big fights. They almost end the game. They get into the base, but nope, they just don't have the wave. They're not able to actually hit the nexus turrets and end, which means they have to go for a reset. And then the next Baron fight is all that BDS needs to then go close out the game because they had already, I think, taken out an inhibitor by that point, if memory serves correct. So this one was weird, man. This was insane.
How do you throw 10,000 gold lead with Dragon Soul?
[00:26:47] Speaker B: I don't fucking know.
I watched it happen and I don't know.
[00:26:51] Speaker C: Yeah, MD case done it twice. It's really impressive.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: Scientists will be studying this one for generations to come. Overall, BDS did take it to one like I predicted, but it was a wild series. Make sure to go check that one out. That's the second of the weekend. Now let's move on to some of the other entertaining ones. Jax, you gave me a little preview and you said that one team in particular had some fun series. This should be one of them. Fnatic versus GX. Talk to me about it.
[00:27:22] Speaker B: Okay. I have to set the stage.
[00:27:24] Speaker C: You have an interesting definition of fun.
[00:27:26] Speaker B: GX locks in a moomoo.
We get to see le. See.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: Thumbs up for me.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: Two games, by the way, of a moomoo.
[00:27:37] Speaker A: Was it played jungle or support?
[00:27:38] Speaker B: Jungle.
[00:27:39] Speaker C: Jungle.
[00:27:40] Speaker B: Yo. Actual amumu jungle.
[00:27:44] Speaker A: Not even build ap.
[00:27:45] Speaker B: Not even ap.
[00:27:46] Speaker A: Actually.
[00:27:46] Speaker B: Just tank.
[00:27:47] Speaker A: What?
[00:27:48] Speaker B: Like the way you're supposed to play him.
[00:27:50] Speaker A: Oh, my God. They went a move or. And I'm just pulling up the drafts right now.
[00:27:54] Speaker B: Yeah. And the first game they just steamroll fnatic with the heavy cc of a mumu or an alistair.
Fnatic's carries cannot move. And the frontline of Fnatic can't actually hold up against kai'sa tristana.
And GX wins game one.
Then game two happens and GX runs back the amumu ornithe. But for some reason they decided to go with ezreal lucianami to pair with the tanks.
You'll note that what that's missing is an ad carry who needs a frontline.
[00:28:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
Also lack of ability to kill a sejuani as effectively as olaf and lack.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Of ability to deal with an olaf. Oscar just kind of says, hey, the Antonio, you don't get to play League of Legends anymore. You can't exist in lane against me. And your carries don't do enough burst damage to burn me down. If I get near someone, an ult, I will kill that someone.
[00:29:00] Speaker A: Yeah, that's very interesting. I mean, it seems like GX, at least we're trying to find a style that worked for them, which is something I gave them credit for back, like in, you know, a week or two ago. Last time we saw them was like, like they are opting for more of this front to back team fight, traditional league of Legends style of game.
And I think Orin fits that bill. Like, that's basically exactly what the champ does.
[00:29:25] Speaker C: The thing is to start off, if I'm thinking right, and it was this game, it starts off really concerning for fnatics, don't they? Two man tower dive, the Antonio top and then die anyways.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:29:36] Speaker C: Fnatic needs to stop with these tower.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: Dives or keep doing them so they get better.
[00:29:42] Speaker B: I was very sure after that that this was going to be a GX 20 over fnatic. And then they just pulled game two back off of Noah being a fucking kaiser God.
[00:29:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Nine, 10.
[00:29:56] Speaker B: Because Kai'sa does so much DP's, there's nothing that GX could do. Kai'sa could cut through their entire front line before they could cut through Oscar and Razor also.
[00:30:05] Speaker A: I mean, you're able to dodge out on Amumu pretty easily as the Kai'sa. Unless you're hit by the bandit. You're speed up. That can get you away really fast.
[00:30:13] Speaker B: So many good ult too. Like, he was constantly holding his ult until Juhan had fully gone in and there was no answer to him anymore. And then he would ult and just annihilate Patrick or Jackie's on the back of the fight.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: Oh, my God. I'm just seeing now. Yuan only has one completed item as Amumu in this game.
[00:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah, the game two. Amumu did not work. He could not find the same place he found in game one.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: This was over in 24 42.
[00:30:40] Speaker B: Wow. I think the fastest game of the weekend.
I'm double checking that. I think it was.
[00:30:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:50] Speaker B: That was the single fastest game of the weekend was Fnatic's game two against TX. And this was the one where fanatic.
[00:30:58] Speaker C: Faltered early in giraffe. Fnatic said, you know what? I think this Tristana champs really good. Let's not give it to them on red side or blue side for any reason. And suddenly when they stop giving their opponents Tristana, things go really well.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: Nice. Who would have thought banning the most, if not second most popular champ on the meta?
[00:31:25] Speaker B: And then I want to move the.
[00:31:26] Speaker C: Highest prior champion in the world right now.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:31:29] Speaker B: There's a reason she has nerfs coming tomorrow as we record this on the live patch.
[00:31:34] Speaker A: Where's Rumble at?
[00:31:34] Speaker B: I know Rumble's up very high up there.
[00:31:37] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:31:38] Speaker B: I want to move on to game three because I want to move on from the series because GX sucks. This was not actually a good series. It was just very entertaining and bombastic.
Oscar had two games already to fine tune how the Antonio plays Ornn. So game three, he's like, cool, I'm playing poppy and I'm going to fucking murder you.
He plays sundered Sky Sterak's poppy.
[00:32:04] Speaker A: Oh, my God, he does.
[00:32:06] Speaker B: He had an iceborn gauntlet and Sundered sky done before the Antonio finished one item. It was brutal. He absolutely cratered the Antonio to go with this.
[00:32:18] Speaker C: Game three is when Razzark says, you know what? I'm done with this whole tank Sejuani deal. Let me murder people. As he pulls out the AP jungle brand.
[00:32:26] Speaker B: Yep.
And I think it was sundered sky first.
That's awesome. He had already completely hard won the lane by the time he completed one item.
[00:32:37] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:32:37] Speaker B: It was brutal.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: Three ornn games in a row for Antonio.
[00:32:42] Speaker C: Sundered Sky at eleven minutes into the game.
[00:32:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it was not fair.
Humanoid and Noah had a good game. June enabled them really well. And there's just GX couldn't do anything. Vi was not the answer. She can only lock down one of the three huge carry threats on fnatic and she can't kill them individually.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: Vi is really rough at this point. In the meta, unless your opponent's already drafted, like, a single threat comp, which just doesn't happen right now. And it's weird.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: And even then, she doesn't usually have the damage to actually kill that single threat solo. So she needs dive buddies, which they did not really have drafted.
[00:33:20] Speaker A: Yeah, like azir ezreal. That's not diving in with you. Okay, interesting draft, interesting series. Fnatic do still take it, though. Two one overall, meaning I'm three three on exact series score predictions. Let's see if we can keep that energy rolling. Spoilers? No, but the next series, I think you're right. G two versus KC. A 20 for g two. Also kind of like sk team eric expected to be a slaughter. How good did g two look? Did this look definitive?
[00:33:51] Speaker B: Game one was very bloody.
Game one is fun. Like, I don't recommend watching this series, but watch game one if you're looking for something to watch, because game one was back and forth and bloody. We got to see the players on Carmine core do as much as they're able to do against the juggernauts that are g two.
[00:34:10] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Vladi got six kills. Upset. Got seven. Okay.
[00:34:15] Speaker C: It's odd to say that this is back and forth, but still a decisive win for g two because it was back and forth to. Oh, my God. G two is murdering them to. Okay, g two is just winning a lot.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: Yeah, this was one of those two.
[00:34:29] Speaker C: Were never at risk of losing.
[00:34:30] Speaker B: This was atrocious. Casey just won a team fight, but g two gained gold relative to KC from that lost team fight kind of games.
[00:34:40] Speaker A: It's like using a ping pong analogy where it's like going back and forth, but it's just forrest gump hitting against himself, right? A little bit.
[00:34:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:49] Speaker A: Okay, cool.
So game one, watch for the entertainment. But overall, still g two looking solid. I mean, we said it was a one team reboot for a reason. If g two cannot crush KC, then that's very concerning. But also, we can always give them at least one game because g two sometimes just trolls a little bit, but hopefully they don't keep doing that. Anything else to cover there, or is that pretty much how we expected?
[00:35:14] Speaker B: That's it.
[00:35:17] Speaker C: Game two. Casey says this draft kind of worked. They try and run it back, basically, and g two says, yeah, no, and then just beat a them badly.
[00:35:25] Speaker A: Cool, cool. Well, I'll bring us to our second to last series. This is now in the winners bracket.
On. In the upper bracket.
[00:35:34] Speaker C: Yeah, pickle, before we actually get into this, because of those results in the first round. This means fnatic, BDs and Mad Lions have all locked themselves into season finals based on points.
[00:35:44] Speaker A: Nice. Okay, that's cool. And okay, I'm actually happy to bring that up because that means that we can have a conversation. The teams that are going to be on the chopping block, when we get.
[00:35:55] Speaker B: To previews, we can talk about like what the matches mean because there are a couple of elimination matches coming.
[00:36:04] Speaker A: I like that idea. We'll save that for later. We'll move on to the matches that still happen just so we can have a clean follow through here because we're in the winners bracket now. First round or second round? Sorry. Of the winner's bracket, the teams that won their first round. And it is s k going up against Fnatic. Now. This is one that I definitely thought SK should win. I didn't think Fnatic was gonna be in good form. They had been struggling, but fnatic actually got it. Pickle, how'd it go?
[00:36:33] Speaker C: SK's drafting alone makes me want to rip my hair out in score.
It was that honestly, based on draft alone, I'm like, okay, this is just, just done. And fanatics going to roll them, which is exactly what happened. Game one, they do what we said not to do, which is give humanoid Tristana for some reason on red side and just like, yeah, go ahead.
[00:36:57] Speaker A: That is odd.
[00:36:59] Speaker B: Is there any like special secret counter pick? Like, oh, we've played this champion in scrims. It's a off meta mid laner that we think is really good. In a trance Tristana? No, it's just Taliyah and humonous demolishes.
[00:37:12] Speaker C: Them in the mid lane and especially on the side lane when you have nobody to match into the Tristana. And honestly, they just roll through that. They run, they run a Zyra Tristana against the Sejuani Talia. There's nothing you can do about that.
They ran a Zyra Khan bot lane for SK and it's like that's not going to be able to handle anything that's going on, really. You're way too short range to deal with a double 80 carry comp of Tristana. Plus Katy, sir, with the late game scaling Oscar in and on the orn.
[00:37:45] Speaker B: There'S nothing Alistair and Oscar, Renan's orn could just walk at them. And Rahel had to run away because if he didn't, he would die when he got cc'd.
[00:37:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:37:55] Speaker B: And there was nothing that a relative isma as the front line of SK could do to prevent that from happening.
[00:38:02] Speaker C: And game two, congratulations. Sk, your blue side. You first picked Tristana. It's going to go great for Nisk. What do you mean? You're flexible it to ad carry.
[00:38:13] Speaker A: All right.
[00:38:15] Speaker B: I don't hate that part of the draft. I hate the other parts. They around it because they flex the Tristana to ad carry, but they pick Alistair for the support and Nidalee for the jungler, which makes zero fucking sense.
Tristana can still Lane bully at two v two. Why would you pick Alistair who is not a Lane bully support?
[00:38:41] Speaker A: Yeah, he's worthless level one. And his engage is pretty tough to actually land, especially against, like a recon lane.
[00:38:48] Speaker B: Exactly. And Nidalee, who relies on there being set up in the lane for her to be able to do anything and is not great at ganking Bot Lane in general.
[00:38:59] Speaker A: It makes no Leona bands either. Yeah, no nautilus bands. Like other things that could have been more aggressive.
[00:39:04] Speaker C: I don't know what's going on in the LEC if they hate Leona or something, but this champions high prior across.
[00:39:11] Speaker B: The world and we've seen Leona's in some of the LEC games absolutely fucking stomp. So I don't understand why they're not just going, hey, this is working. Why don't we keep doing it like Mickey X? Absolutely.
[00:39:27] Speaker A: You go for it, bickel.
[00:39:29] Speaker C: This champs first picked in some regions. I was just not showing up in the LEC drafts. It's weird. Yeah, I don't.
[00:39:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:37] Speaker C: For Sk's draft. I don't know if their win against heretics when they got to pick, Nidalee said, hey, we're really good with this champ and play well around it. Let's go for it. No. Please, no. I never want to see this champ again. I hate it. I don't want any team to play it unless your name's canyon. And even then you have better picks to play. Don't pick this champion anywhere.
[00:39:57] Speaker A: Rafa somewhere just let out a singular tier.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: There is one other part of the game, too, that I want to mention, which is we got to see Oscar Rinnan on Jax, build stridebreaker, and just be like, who wants a piece of the champ?
Like, seriously. Oscar went eleven and three. He basically just got to run forward in every fight and just murder whoever tried to challenge him.
[00:40:22] Speaker A: Yeah, a lot of squishy champs that he's able to do.
[00:40:24] Speaker B: A lot of squishy champs. And almost all of the damage is auto attacks.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: Yeah, basically. Except for, like, Nidalee Spear and Azir shuffle or something.
[00:40:36] Speaker B: It was so like Oscar had a dream game right there.
[00:40:41] Speaker C: The fanatic that showed up versus SK versus the fanatic that showed up against GX looked like two completely different teams.
[00:40:49] Speaker B: Fnatic has always played to the level of their opponents domestically. That's why fnatic g two is always a banger, even when Fnatic has not looked great otherwise. That's why fnatic looked good against SK. It looked like shit against GX. Cause GX sucks.
[00:41:04] Speaker C: Yep.
I'm really disappointed in SK.
[00:41:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:11] Speaker C: I expected so much more from them.
[00:41:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. I do want to give shout outs again. I haven't seen the series, but I'm just looking at the page. I'm very impressed that Rahel was still able to get over ten cs per minute despite going one, seven and five in the series. To me, that signals that at least, you know, you're still doing something.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: I'm gonna put a damper on that. That's because he spent most of game one just side lane collecting waves because he couldn't do anything else.
[00:41:40] Speaker A: Sure, but is that his problem?
[00:41:44] Speaker B: No.
[00:41:46] Speaker A: Exactly. There we go. Look, I'm just saying, I look at major regions that aren't the LPL and sometimes the LCK, and I see eight cs per minute for ad carries. I'm like, what are we doing, guys? You got one job. Your role does one thing, two things, I guess.
[00:42:00] Speaker C: This series showed us some of the best play from humanoid we've seen in a while and some of the worst play from Niski we've seen in a long time as well.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Niski is outside of their bot lane being able to win lanes and carry, which we have seen be an avenue for success for SK, Niski has also been the rock for them. So if. If he's not able to compete against his opponent and your bot lanes not utilized and unlocked, SK is going to struggle a lot, not just against fnatic, but kind of against anybody. So maybe a worrying trend there. Hopefully SK is able to reverse the fortunes of going into this next weekend.
Now, final series of this past weekend was the g two versus bds match. I was excited for it. I predicted this, and I still predicted g 220. And yeah, it was a 20. How convincing was this one, Jax?
[00:42:58] Speaker B: Very, very convincing. And we got to see g two doing different shit. Some of which I thought was bad, but they were so much better than bds that it did not matter. We got to see broken blade showcase just how fucking broken Aatrox is right now. I think we're going to see more of Aatrox coming forward on this patch, because there is a moment where broken blade goes from, like, 1000 gp to 200 gp to 1000 gp to 500 gp to 1000 gp, again in the span of, like, 3 seconds.
That's not hyperbole, by the way. He literally healed, like, 800 health in a single hit. And then another, like, one auto attack.
[00:43:40] Speaker A: Damn.
[00:43:41] Speaker B: The healing on Aatrox is actually fucking stupid.
[00:43:46] Speaker C: That was game one. On the flip side, in game two, we got to see broken blade. Show us how atrocious a matchup is to play Jason demalphite.
[00:43:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I meant when I said we saw some decisions that I think were bad, and g two was just better, so it didn't matter.
This was, I believe, BDS did a lane swap early to put the top laners behind, and broken blade plays every bit of it really poorly.
And then broken blade proceeds to get solo killed by Adam's malphite, like, three times in a row after.
[00:44:23] Speaker C: No, he gets solo killed twice by, I want to say, ten minutes. And that's after the tower dive from the lane swap, where Le Brav unfortunately dies on the tower dive, but he gets executed and burns broken blade's tpe. So he ends up, like, seven minutes into the game. No tp, no flash, zero two.
[00:44:47] Speaker A: Seems like that was the only focus from bds, though, because looking at just the stats here, g two got all the dragons, the herald.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:44:54] Speaker A: Two barons.
[00:44:54] Speaker C: It didn't matter. Like, it was. It was funny to look top and see broken blade being demolished by adam. It just didn't matter, because g two is just g two across the map. And cap said, I'm gonna have a fun, really good game. Game.
[00:45:06] Speaker A: All six void grubs, too. Wow.
Yeah. I mean, g two is good at playing the map. We know that about them. They also had ash and the seraphine composition. We haven't seen seraphine in quite a while. She's very annoying, though. I actually do think seraphine has a place in the meta, especially against things like the zyra, the brand jungle, because she just kind of neutralizes a lot of the damage that they throw out.
[00:45:30] Speaker B: And I really liked this choice, because between Seraphim fiend and then, yike, building a locket, they had so much ability to protect caps doing his thing, and Hansama was ash. His job was to shoot arrows and sit back and provide vision and slow whoever was trying to fight him.
[00:45:49] Speaker C: Yeah, this was a really good series for caps all around. We didn't even mention this game one. He plays Lucian mid and looks great too. Like g two is at its best when they're being g two, pulling out all these different picks, trying them out, seeing what feels right. This is what you want from them to look good internationally because they are testing themselves with different picks right now. It's exactly what they need to do because they can still pull out these random picks and demolish.
[00:46:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it is always a question of, you know, are you showing too much of your hand by doing this or should you be practicing it on stage? I like the practicing, especially against a team like bds that maybe they had higher expectations going to then BDS was able to perform. But still one of the teams that should be more competition for g two in their own region. So two over g two matches to watch from the weekend. I still say bdsmdk partly bias because it's the one that I was able to catch, but it was very entertaining. What are other matches that we want to throw up there?
[00:46:49] Speaker B: I say the other fnatic series, fnatic SK was that is fnatic looking genuinely good. And as much as we hated on the SK draft, they did have a lot of moments of individual, still skilled play. They just fanatic was better on the day.
[00:47:06] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:47:06] Speaker B: And then if you like some lulz, fnatic versus Gx is hilarious.
[00:47:13] Speaker A: Bickle shaking his head no.
Okay, well, either way, fnatic series should be pretty fun. Bdsm decay, definitely fun. Those are our recommendations, which means that we're going to get into the matches coming up ahead of us. And this is where we can also talk now about implications because we're going to be in the lower bracket and teams will be bidding farewell and we'll also be able to track who has points to get them into that big end of summer tournament. Bickle lead us off here.
[00:47:45] Speaker C: So losers, brackets, starting off the two games we're getting to start are MDK, K Corp and team heretics versus GX. Team heretics versus GX. Whoever wins that series is in prime position to advance. Whoever loses that series is eliminated. If K Corp lose that series above this match is whoever wins advances. Whoever loses is out. Basically, provided K Corp doesn't make top three. Whoever wins team heretics versus GxDev locks themselves in.
[00:48:19] Speaker B: Yep, the, that's the big thing is that that is just a straight up elimination match.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: Interesting. Yeah, cause KC are super low end points. You only have the points that they got for this summer. They didn't qualify for playoffs. In sports, the only way K Corp.
[00:48:34] Speaker C: Can make season finals is by finishing in the top three.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: And they also need, you know, one of the teams around them to like.
[00:48:42] Speaker C: Nope. Drop three is auto qualified.
[00:48:45] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Interesting. All right, well, we'll be on Casey watch then. Maybe they can get extra motivation from their fans in the audience.
Yeah, but team Arata versus GX, that's the one that has a lot of implications on the line.
Yeah, I think that's.
[00:49:03] Speaker B: I do also want to point out that the Mad Lions match still matters for Mad Lions, even though they have locked season finals. Top four matters. Top four in championship points get double elimination season finals, fifth and 6th do not. And seeding is entirely determined by championship points.
[00:49:25] Speaker A: Interesting.
[00:49:27] Speaker B: So mad maybe currently minimum fourth place. Like they're going to make it. They could drop to fifth, 6th, and lose that double elimination protection in season finals if they don't win this series and win, like the next series, depending on how well SK does, for example.
[00:49:44] Speaker A: Yeah. So locked into the season finals, not locked into upper bracket.
[00:49:48] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:49:49] Speaker A: Two lives. Cool. Well, we'll also be on MDK watch there. I mean, they're against Casey, so hopefully they're, they should be fine.
But let's get into the series and predictions. We have first off in the losers bracket, MDK versus Casey. We talked about that one and we all are in agreement. MDK two o across the board. We just do not have faith in Casey as a team, as an.org, as a roster to pull.
[00:50:14] Speaker C: One of these teams should have won this past weekend. One of these teams shouldn't even be in playoffs.
[00:50:19] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:50:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
So 20 from all of us. Next up in the lower bracket, we have team heretics versus GX. Just a big old steaming egg.
That's not even a saying. I'm just trying to think of something to say about this.
Two one for team heretics. For myself and Jax Bickle. You think Gx two one, though. Why do you think GX actually wins this one?
[00:50:42] Speaker C: They're both terrible. I just feel like GX has looked less terrible as of late, so I'm giving them the edge.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: GX looked more inventive and like they still were evaluating the meta and trying to do something with it against fnatic than team Heretics, who just looked like they were lost against SK.
[00:51:06] Speaker A: I just can't wait to get like orn versus.
I don't know what does wonder play psion or something like that. Every single game I'm actually switching.
[00:51:15] Speaker B: I had put that in before we talked about the games, and after talking about the games, I'm realizing, no, I'm going GX two one.
[00:51:23] Speaker A: I kind of, dude, I was going to do the same, but I'll say team heretics then, just so that we don't have too waffles. Okay, well, that is the lower bracket, which means that we would be pretty much guaranteed we're saying goodbye to KC. Probably saying goodbye to team heretics, not GX. But we'll see how that one goes. That one's gonna be more competitive and also more important for the points, like you were just saying to bickle now that will leave into the next day SK versus the winner of the first series, which would be MDK or KC. We all have SK. I got them 20, Jax has them 20. Bickel, you got them two one. And you had MDK take it. Any specific reason why? I think MDK gets a game or do you just think SK were gonna throw a draft or something?
[00:52:03] Speaker C: I expect SK to throw draft at least once. And MDK has shown flashes of good over the past couple games that show they can pull things out, though they'll probably find a way to throw it. In all honesty, I could see this going to and all. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I think SK is the better team all around, though.
[00:52:29] Speaker A: Okay. Other than the fact that you're both wrong and I'm going to change it to MDK, the correct choice because MDK always makes a deep playoff run. It clearly it's. The script has already been written.
You can't argue with history, guys. It's written. It's literally there. We can just go back and look at it.
[00:52:48] Speaker B: I do want.
[00:52:48] Speaker C: You do know that MDK Fitzhe finished 6th in playoffs in the spring, right?
[00:52:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:55] Speaker A: Where did SK finish?
[00:52:59] Speaker C: It's a different roster. It doesn't count.
[00:53:02] Speaker B: I do want to point out that even if SK does beat MDK here, since we're predicting it being MDK, that makes it.
That does not get Sk the top four over MDK. MDK could still wind up being top four in season finals just based on points. If SK then immediately drops the next series.
[00:53:24] Speaker A: Interesting to note.
[00:53:25] Speaker C: Let me do the math real quick to see what SK would need if they were to.
[00:53:32] Speaker B: I think they need top three.
Top three would put them past MDK.
[00:53:42] Speaker A: In top two.
[00:53:44] Speaker C: Top two.
Third place would not be enough to put them over MDK in terms of points.
[00:53:50] Speaker B: Fair enough.
[00:53:50] Speaker A: So yeah, looking at point distribution for summer, just, just for everyone at home to kind of follow along here. Currently mad lions at 200 points. SK is at 145. So mad lions the minimum that they can get is 45. That would put them at 245 points. SK, if they get third place, that's 120. Right.
[00:54:10] Speaker B: Including the minimum they can already get. Matt is currently at 155 and cannot get less than 45. SK is currently at 80 and cannot get less than 65.
[00:54:22] Speaker A: Okay, so there is currently a minimum points that you can earn a 55 point differential between these two teams.
[00:54:30] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:54:31] Speaker C: And we're saying assuming MDK beats K Corp, that puts them at 220, which would mean that SK could not reach that amount. With 120. They need 150 from summer, which comes from second place.
[00:54:44] Speaker B: But if K Corp somehow drops or drops mad lions and makes it to SK, then SK could get third and make.
[00:54:52] Speaker C: If K Corp makes a run, I'm throwing all this out of the window and saying I have no idea what's going on.
[00:54:56] Speaker A: Hey, by my calculations, though, if they get third place, that gets them exactly 55 points to tie, it'll be 200 to 200. Right.
[00:55:05] Speaker C: In terms of endpoints, that's assuming K Corp beats MDK, which would keep MDK at 200. If MDk beats K Corp, they get an extra 20 points.
[00:55:14] Speaker A: Yes, you're right. Okay, good point. Good point there. Because we're predicting MDK making it to this. Now I'm caught up. Thank you for that one.
Cool. I'm sure everybody listening loved hearing that discussion that we were all looking at the point on leaked PD. I'm assuming that's what I was doing, following along, and everyone at home is like, what the hell are they talking about?
[00:55:35] Speaker B: They love hearing us just absolutely put in mouth, not understand basic what's going on.
[00:55:41] Speaker A: Okay, cool. I am caught up.
[00:55:43] Speaker C: That means that and fanatic are locked into double elim. And BDS is nearly locked in, I believe.
[00:55:52] Speaker B: I believe.
[00:55:53] Speaker A: So do we want to do one more math right now, live?
[00:55:58] Speaker C: If BDS wins their next series, they are locked into top four. G two and fanatic are already locked into top, top four.
[00:56:06] Speaker A: SK would need to get 95 points to catch up to BDS, who would need to bomb out, and 95 on.
[00:56:15] Speaker C: Top of what they already have. So they need 95 more than 65, which would have to be.
[00:56:22] Speaker A: They would have to win.
[00:56:23] Speaker C: They need to win, summer.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: Yeah, that's not happening. So congratulations, bds. You made it to the w lim. Sweet. Let's get into the second series of the second day. BDS versus the winner of day one, which would be team heretics versus Gx. This one, we're a little split. Let's assume it's gx, though, just because that should be who it is. But it doesn't matter who it is because we all have bds.
[00:56:48] Speaker C: There's top four in the LEc.
BDS is part of it. Team heretics and Gx are not.
[00:56:54] Speaker B: Yeah. The question right now is, is it Sk or bds? That's the third. And which one is the fourth?
[00:57:01] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty much. And that's what is going to be decided later on in that lower bracket if everything goes according to plan. But we're not going to see that yet because the final match of the week, second week for summer playoffs, is actually going to go back to the upper bracket. We will have, and this is on the Tuesday, by the way, because again, it's Sunday, Monday, Tuesday for matches.
[00:57:22] Speaker B: This is, I believe the Monday match. They, they split up the other ones because the, the fnatic and g two have a life still, which everyone loses is still in the other teams have all lost a game, so they give them a day in between before they have to play another.
[00:57:39] Speaker C: That is entirely correct.
[00:57:41] Speaker B: So.
[00:57:41] Speaker A: Damn it.
[00:57:42] Speaker B: G two fanatic with my fault.
[00:57:45] Speaker A: That's all right. Went a little out of order there. That's fine. Let's go back in time to Monday then for the big match, g two versus fnatic, the first best of five that we'll get to see in summer playoffs. And this is El Classico. It usually goes the distance, if not at least delivering on a fun series. I don't have a lot of faith in fanatic this time around. So I got a three one for g two. Bickel also agrees with me. Three one for g two. Jax, you still think every time it goes to distance, three two, but still g two taking it?
[00:58:17] Speaker B: Absolutely. It's going to go five games and then it's going to go five games again in a week when they rematch because these are the two best teams in europe.
[00:58:26] Speaker A: Yep.
I think that it, we've had a couple of years mixed in there where this was not the top two teams, but it feels like we're right back to comfort here where it's g two. Fnatic trying their best to compete with g two.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: And like, like I said an hour ago, fnatic plays to the level of their opponents against g two. Fnatic is going to come out swinging. They're actually going to look good. Even though I think g two, they.
[00:58:51] Speaker C: Will come out swinging. I do not think there is a team in the lec fanatic or anybody else that can take, that can beat g two in a best of five right now. I think g two is going to win their next four best of fives in the lec aka theyre going to win all of summer and then theyre going to go into season finals and win that as well. I dont think theres a team that can contest them and im only giving.
[00:59:15] Speaker A: Fnatic the one game because is typically in a best of five series g two will have a troll fanatic levels.
[00:59:19] Speaker C: Up enough to take a game and g two does enough to throw a game. I can see three one or three two but it's going to be g two in the end. It's always g two.
[00:59:27] Speaker B: Also I'm going to put it out there assuming that they don't drop to lower bracket for some reason. G two has five best of fives left in the lEc.
[00:59:35] Speaker C: All right. I forgot that all of season finals is double is a best of five.
[00:59:41] Speaker A: Ah okay cool. Thanks for that correction and thank you g two for always being good in the LEc, giving us some good gameplay. That's our predictions for week two of playoffs for the summer split and that is it for le see yeah. Fun games last weekend. Thankfully we had games this last weekend because the other region that we're going to hop over to did not. But we will have a preview for their return because across the pond, as duffy, our ex main host, used to say, most beautiful place on God's green earth. We got santa monica, california lcs gameplay, baby. Yeah, not a one team region. We got like two teams that do some stuff here.
[01:00:28] Speaker C: Like there's a top three.
[01:00:30] Speaker A: Okay. Team liquids is the number one and then it's c nine fly quests that are competing for that next spot, right?
[01:00:37] Speaker C: I'd say so. I think those are the top three. I think we call leca one team region because g two is just the best in the west. Full stop.
[01:00:48] Speaker A: Hey, I still think team liquid is going to make some damage at worlds. I'm putting money on. I'm not actually putting money on it, but I'm not encouraging you to put money on it. But I'm saying if somebody were to put money on it, team liquid could.
[01:01:01] Speaker B: Use a. I'm going to give team liquidity a little bit of credit. They three one fnatic at MSI.
[01:01:07] Speaker A: There we go. That's all I need to hear. Okay.
And with that, we're going to move on to the Na versus Na matches that we have ahead of us. Reminder, lcs is best of threes throughout the regular season, single round robin. It's been two weeks since we saw gameplay, so it's gonna be a.
[01:01:23] Speaker C: We got some bangers this week.
[01:01:26] Speaker A: Yeah, think we have some. I think our first series at least is going to be great. Team Liquid versus Dignitas. Dignitas has shown that when Zven's on, he's on and they can actually do a lot of damage.
So I think they can take a game, but we still take in the series overall. I think Dignitas are good enough though. I think that if they get the right draft and like I said, when just has his pop off performance and a best of three do one of them. But team look at overall are just the better, more well oiled machine. And in particular I think that Apa is going to have a lot of reason to smack Jensen around from all the smack talks that Jensen was laying into him last year or less. Split.
[01:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:02:13] Speaker A: Okay, well, let's move on to the next series then. Immortals.
[01:02:17] Speaker C: Question for you guys, does TL. I guess it's just seven.
[01:02:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, it would be seven. Oh, that's a weird one. Yeah, I had to think about that for a second. 700 series scores. Yeah, I think they could. They're not undefeated. Right? Like they've dropped a game.
[01:02:33] Speaker C: They dropped a game to fly quest.
[01:02:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that they have a better chance in c nine. That's for damn sure.
[01:02:41] Speaker C: It's.
[01:02:41] Speaker B: I forget.
[01:02:42] Speaker C: This is really depressing. It's just this tl drop. Tl drop the series to c nine and that's it.
[01:02:48] Speaker B: Yeah. I forget when they are scheduled to play each other. Do you guys know offhand, I think.
[01:02:52] Speaker C: It'S the last week of the season.
[01:02:55] Speaker A: It's the last or the second last week. One or the other.
[01:02:57] Speaker B: I'm checking now.
[01:02:59] Speaker A: Okay, it is.
[01:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it is week six.
[01:03:03] Speaker C: Okay, so it's second to last.
[01:03:05] Speaker B: Second to last. I kind of wish it was the last series of the season. That would be both of them be six and oh in game score and go head to head.
[01:03:13] Speaker C: C nine's got a soul match end of the season. Jesus. They play tl then fly quest in back to back weeks.
[01:03:20] Speaker A: Ooh, they do. And then nrg.
[01:03:23] Speaker B: What about them?
[01:03:24] Speaker C: Well, they can't all be difficult games.
[01:03:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
Okay, well, speaking of, we got some of the other series to cover here. Immortals versus flyquest. Oh God, we just got flyquest to us across the board. Immortals are not giving us a lot of reason to be cheerful for their performance.
And fly quest actually, I think still, despite the fact that they're not at the top, top five and three in game score, two and one in series score. They still after a quick 20 over dignitas. I think that was, like, the big competition of. Okay, are they no longer a top three team after losing to team liquid? But no, I think that flyquest body this.
Any other thoughts there? Any props you want to give to immortals at all? No. I've seen heads shake. I'm down with that. So c nine versus 100. This is another one I'm excited for just because I think that hundred thieves are always a fun team to watch, and every now and then, they will just get, like, everybody feeling the groove. I don't even know what to call it other than the groove. They get groovy, man.
Still think that river and quad have what it takes to bring it to the mid jungle combo of c nine that have not convinced me that they are at the top yet. I mean, they're still good individual players, but I don't think that c nine is going to be, like, quit river and quid. Sorry. Quid. Yes. Ah qu? I did it. I had not done it all summer. No, I had to double check.
[01:04:53] Speaker C: I'm like, wait, which one's on?
[01:04:54] Speaker A: Fly quest, which one's on, man, I was so confident. I was never gonna slip. People were like, it's gonna be confusing. I was like, no, it's not.
[01:05:02] Speaker C: It's very fun when we get them plague each other.
[01:05:05] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a little confusing. Okay, so c nine, take it. And that will continue their winston streak. Continue team liquids win streak. And they should probably both be, you know, undefeated when they go into their match in the second half.
[01:05:18] Speaker B: I checked Quidden quad play against each other next week. Week five.
[01:05:22] Speaker A: Beautiful. I was telling Raz this cause, you know, he does like the pros episodes. They should do. Usually they have three on. They should do one with just two, and they should just call it quid. Quid quad pro.
I feel like that would be. Yes, just for the memes. I like it. All right.
Okay. Final series of the LCS weekend. Oh, God. This one's a stinker. Energy versus shopify. Rebellion.
Energy did dominate immortals, so at least they were able to do that the last time we saw them.
[01:05:54] Speaker B: I originally had put this as a two one energy, and then I remembered when you mentioned the boogie. Back to starting Tomio. Back to the bench. So I've switched to a 20 energy.
[01:06:05] Speaker A: I still would have done two o if it was Tomio.
[01:06:08] Speaker C: Shopify already got o 2d by immortals. I'm not going to give them a game this entire season. I'm predicting against them. O two every seat every week.
[01:06:17] Speaker A: That's pretty tough, man.
But, yeah, it's that sets the stage.
[01:06:23] Speaker B: Of which team will win a series. Do you think it's more likely that, okay, Breon wins a series in the LCK or a Shopify rebellion wins a series in the LCS.
[01:06:36] Speaker A: What's Shopify's strength of schedule look like?
[01:06:39] Speaker C: Shopify's already played immortals. They have no strength of sketch.
[01:06:42] Speaker A: They got, oh, it's tough. They got dignitas, flyquest, and then 100 thieves to close. Maybe they could beat thieves.
[01:06:51] Speaker C: I mean, the thing is, ok, Breon still has to play every team. Once I can see them beating nong shimmered.
Just saying much. But I can't predict shopify to do anything.
[01:07:07] Speaker A: I think that the single round robin is being especially felt by this team because if you're in dumps and you've already played the teams that, like, you should be able to take down and you lost to them, you don't get that second chance to get, like, some wins there and sneak in the playoffs, like, nope, that was your one shot. Now we got, like, better teams we have to beat.
[01:07:26] Speaker C: Well, the only team they've played that they should have been able to beat some mortals. Their other two games play were against cloud nine and team liquid.
[01:07:33] Speaker A: Okay, I guess that's a good point when you put it that way.
You know, maybe they surge. Maybe they beat energy and dig and fly and 100 thieves in a row. Maybe boogie is the solution.
[01:07:45] Speaker C: Sure, Kangas, whatever you say.
[01:07:47] Speaker A: Hey, it could technically happen.
Unlikely, though. We still have energy taking this one too. Oh, so that's it for LCS again. It was only a quick little preview for them. We have gameplay this weekend, so we will be able to actually see how everyone's looking after the very long break. Hopefully they were using that break wisely. We also got the LCS show match that happened. Did either of you catch that this last week?
[01:08:09] Speaker C: No, I caught a bit of it. I saw that Jojo lived up to Yasuo and ended up with like twelve deaths.
[01:08:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it was like 20. I'm pretty sure he had over 20 deaths. I will say. I don't know if this is a spoiler or not, so hopefully I'm allowed to say this. I found out that it was pre recorded on Wednesday and not actually live on the weekend, which I thought was weird.
[01:08:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's fine for a show match type thing, especially since that meant they had the studio free if they needed to use it for a different event. It meant they didn't have to coordinate with weekend nonsense and they were going on as well, in the event. So it let them just preview the swarm event immediately before or after whichever one they did without having to worry.
[01:08:58] Speaker A: About it was happening this weekend anyway, so it actually yeah, they wouldn't have really had the studio regardless, so that doesn't make sense.
[01:09:04] Speaker B: What difference does it make to us? It still was when it was broadcast was the first we could see it.
[01:09:10] Speaker C: I will say it was entertaining seeing how many counter matchups ended up because they just did their one tricks. You had poppy versus riven.
[01:09:20] Speaker A: That was hilarious.
[01:09:21] Speaker C: Rengar versus Evelyn.
You had the Teemo mirror match at support.
[01:09:27] Speaker A: I'm so happy we got the Teemo supports. That was great. I think the players that they picked for it were also pretty good choices. They were all pretty charismatic.
[01:09:35] Speaker C: Then of course we got APA's Aurelion Sol just being a menace over the entire map. It's like one of these champions is actually very meta at the moment and.
[01:09:43] Speaker A: Is really strong, but it proves APA better than Jojob confirmed, although also on the rift in actual series games. I think that question is actually legitimately up for debate right now. I cannot wait for that matchup come the second to last week of the LCS. But for now, that's our week four predictions. Thanks so much for tuning in everybody. That's going to wrap up another episode of the League rundown, a reminder to give a big old thumbs up or leave five stars wherever you are listening to the podcast. It really does help us out get more noticed as we try and keep entertainment as well as excitement for lcs and Lec in the community. Also, join the discord, you can join in on the conversations in the community and if you want to support us on Patreon, we would be happy to have you. We're going to have our bullshittery episodes, which is about ten to 15 minutes that we record before actually going live. Every week going up, we're gonna have a big bulk of those that we are behind on, but those should be uploading by the time this episode is out. So thanks so much for tuning in everybody. We love ya and we'll see you next time.
[01:10:52] Speaker B: Bye bye.
Peace.
