Episode Transcript
[00:00:31] Speaker A: At the table with Messiah tanking it up.
[00:00:34] Speaker B: I do not believe he just.
What? I cannot understand this game.
Unicorns of love.
[00:00:48] Speaker A: It wasn't.
[00:00:49] Speaker B: You did it. The nexus.
Hello, and welcome to episode 527 of the league rundown. This is the LCS playoffs and LEC season finals continued along with the LEC season finals finals preview. This episode is lovingly entitled Pink three two Club. That's right. Every episode will be named after a chapel roan song for the foreseeable future. So go listen to the album and do yourself.
I'm your host, Kangas, and I'm joined by two esteemed co hosts on this episode. Up first. He's on the loose. We got mongoose.
[00:01:40] Speaker C: Hi, I'm back. I missed last week. That's my bad.
[00:01:44] Speaker B: It's okay. Happy to have you on this week. And also, you're playing some volleyball, so you're all, like, tired it out. You're going to be great vibes today, right?
[00:01:53] Speaker C: I'm always great vibes.
[00:01:55] Speaker B: Did you win your volleyball games?
[00:01:57] Speaker C: I won about half of them.
[00:01:59] Speaker B: You know what? About half is not too shabby.
[00:02:03] Speaker C: It's exhausting. We played for 3 hours.
[00:02:05] Speaker B: Oh, that's a lot of volleyball. Well, somebody who probably has not been playing a lot of volleyball, but you know what he has been doing? He gets paid to talk. It's Hawk.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
You know, depending on your definition of paid, I do earn some money to talk. Yes, this is true. Good to be back.
[00:02:27] Speaker B: How is week two of your new job?
[00:02:32] Speaker A: It's going.
[00:02:33] Speaker B: It's going. All right, well, we'll get another update, maybe off Mike's then.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: It's been a little stressful.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: Okay. All right. Not the job you get paid to talk for, though. He.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: Not the job I pay for, like.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: Content directing and such.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: Content directing, yes.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Still think a great role for you, though, you make is always bangertained. But, yeah, we got some league of legends to talk about this week, so let's get right into it. Starting off with riot Global News, we have a lot of teams that have qualified for the world championship from multiple different regions. Because it's that time of the year, pretty much everybody's in their playoff scenario and starting to lock teams in. Billy. Billy. The first team from the LPL has qualified in for a world's position. PSG talent coming in from PCs fnatic and Mad Lions from Lec. Little bit of a spoiler, although I guess technically we already knew. Did we already know that? No, we didn't know that last week, did we?
[00:03:27] Speaker C: No. G two had to. G two had to win.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: G two had to win.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: You're right. Yes. Yes. Because of what happened this week in LEC. That confirms it. Fnatic and mad lions from the LEC, or, sorry, MDK from the LEC. Team Liquid and Flyquest from the lcs and movie star are seven, the last ever representative from the LLA to make it to the world stage. And I'm gonna. You can quote me on that. I do not think an LLA team is gonna make it through the northern or Southern Conference in the future of the Americas region. So, movie stars, seven reals, let's see what you got for this year.
Yeah, we don't have the regular LPL and LCK folks on to give us updates there, but we are in playoffs. Everybody go give some love to Mazelle, co host of the podcast, because he is going to be. He's currently either. He might have gotten there already by this point today because he left last night, but he had a long flight over to the Dublin studio where they're broadcasting the LPL finals out of. Yeah, give some love, because he's gonna be on the finals broadcast, helping out with content and doing stuff with the team. So cool to have him over there. And also, we had a couple of awards announced this year. Did we have any LEC awards? I didn't actually see anything come out for like all team, first team, all pros and stuff like that.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Well, it's season finals, so I think it's not a real split. Right. So there must not be.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah, but like, you're not going to.
[00:04:53] Speaker A: Have all season finals mvp.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: I feel like they had just done. Because there's three splits now. And in the past, I know for winter and spring, they had done the number one player from each team.
Not like a first, 2nd, 3rd team, all pro, but just like a. Hey, here's like the best players in each position.
And I thought that they were going to do a bigger one at the end of the year, but I didn't see anything. So who knows? Maybe there is something coming after finals or something, but most likely not at this point. But we do have LCS awards to talk about. Coaching staff of the split team, liquid, spawn and friends over there. Hawk, this was a. I think an obvious one. When you look at how well the team's lugged and how seamlessly Spawn has come into Team liquid to be head coach.
[00:05:36] Speaker A: Yeah, Spawn is the Goat. I mean, honestly, like, he has been amazing for Team Liquid. I don't really think there's much argument there at all.
Absolutely deserved. Really happy for him. Like what he did with Team Liquid challengers as well. Getting promoted, like, his entire journey has been very, very impressive.
[00:05:57] Speaker B: Yeah, the. I've said this before on podcasts. I've said on this podcast. I believe I've even said it on like hotline, league and other areas publicly. But I'll say it again, Spawn, I think is the closest that we have to an LCS coach that can work with our players. Kind of similar to how an LCK coach works with LCK teams in Korea, where he controls the team. It is not the team that controls him. Most coaches bend to the will of the players and have a lot of difficulty controlling the players. I do not think Spawn has that issue. I don't think he has to control the players very much because when you have players like impact and core JJ.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: Apparently he has to control the players to the point because they grind too hard. He has to say, hey, guys, live your damn lives.
[00:06:40] Speaker B: Yeah, but he's just got that mentality to, like, also work with the younger players like Apa Yan, who he would also coached on the academy team. Cool to see team looking pick that up. But the accolades do not stop there because Mongoose Apa picked up most improved player and honestly, I don't think that there was, like, a clear competitor for that. Like, this guy has just looked so much better this summer than even, like, the beginning of the year, especially last year at worlds.
[00:07:08] Speaker C: Yeah, I think he's just, like, has a confidence that no one in na really else has. Like, everyone else has either gotten worse from last year or any time they play against Apa, they just can't handle his, like, talking all game and everyone who tries to match it, just like, they come crumbling down eventually. So. And I also think it's really helpful for him to be on this roster with impact and core jj and umpty also coming over. So a lot of those, like, veterans kind of help lifting him up and making his play a lot better.
[00:07:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it was the mustache that he was rocking for all the media day, the asset day, which, funnily enough, week one of lcs, he shaved it, and everybody that was working in production was like, what the hell, Apa? Like, why did you have a mustache for all the photos? But it sends a message, you know, it really gives off that yapa energy.
But the accolades continue for team Liquid because All Pro also announced and they almost swept first team. So here you go. Your first team. Actually, let's start from the bottom let's go bottom up in case anybody at home has not heard these yet. Third team all pro, bwepo, umpty, quad, masu, busio. So basically, flyquest with umti from team liquid. Second team allpro, thanatos inspired jojo, pyun, berserker, vulcan. So c nine with inspired flyquest, jungler and first team allpro, impact blabber, apa, yan and corejj. So team liquid was blabber in the jungle. So basically it was just 1st, 2nd, 3rd place. Teams with junglers swapped around for variety and to keep things spicy. Thoughts on Allpro? Hawk, let's start with you. Do you think that anybody was snubbed or do you relatively agree with the list?
[00:09:03] Speaker A: Only arguable snub is umpty. But I do believe that that is slightly overplayed as well because blabber was incredibly important to c nine success. I do think he was their best player. So for that reason, I don't mind it at all.
And yeah, I think blabber had a great split. And I mean, UMT still had a great split as well. It sucks that he didn't win, but I don't think he can be, like, too upset about it necessarily either.
[00:09:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Notable first ever first team all Pro for APA and Yan. That's really cool for both of them. This is core JJ's 7th. And I did the math. I believe I have the correct number. Does anybody else want to guess how many splits total has core JJ played lcs that he's eligible even to get all pro? Does anybody have the number?
I have fun. Okay, sorry.
[00:10:02] Speaker C: I'm gonna guess ten.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: 1234. So that's. He spent six years here.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: I have.
[00:10:08] Speaker A: So I'm going to go twelve splits.
[00:10:10] Speaker B: I think this is his 13th. I believe this is his 13th ever that he could qualify for.
[00:10:15] Speaker C: For support.
[00:10:16] Speaker B: For. For support.
I might be off, but either way, he's gotten first team all Pro seven times out of either twelve or 13, whatever the correct number is. That is over half of the eligible ones. That he has not just been all pro top three, but first place. That is insane.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: He is indeed kind of the goat.
[00:10:38] Speaker C: I hate speaker two.
[00:10:40] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:10:41] Speaker C: The support position in North America is not super deep. I think we see a lot of rookies and we also see a lot of imports that come in and core JJ is just like the staple now.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I think that the only people that could have given competition in the past would have been, like, historically, Aframou Smoothie, even going further back to, like, Lemon Nation. Or Biofrost. But like all those players had bad fall offs, like they had peaks that they hit, but then they fell off pretty hard and Corejj just has not done that yet. So props core. JJ in fact, also pretty much unanimously first team all pro. Actually, I think he was unanimous first team All Pro top. I'm pretty sure he swept like every.
[00:11:22] Speaker C: Vote he did, which is not surprising.
[00:11:27] Speaker A: Yeah, also kind of just the goat.
[00:11:30] Speaker B: Yeah, a little bit goat status there.
Yeah, that's it for the awards. No roster news. So that catches us up from the global news. So we can start talking about the leagues and what happened in LEC and LCs. But before then, a reminder for everybody, you can check out our community discord and the link in the description wherever you are listening to this podcast episode. If you want to join the conversation about what's going on in the leagues that we covered as well as all the leagues. We have channels for LPL, LCK, all that stuff too, even though the podcast proper is dedicated to LEC and LCs. But we also have a new merch store if you want to help support the podcast League Dash rundown, Dash shop dot fourthwall.com, proceeds will go towards our audio editor, Ian, alongside a pool of money that we're going to be doing some fun off season stuff with. So if you want to grab some merch, it will help support directly the podcast when not a lot of stuff's going on in the off season. So we can hopefully put together some fun content for you all.
Yeah, that's going to catch us up. Now let's get into the happenings of this last weekend. I believe last week we started with LEC. So this week we are going to start with LCS. We had the losers bracket play out with the first best of five down there alongside two matches in the upper bracket with team liquid versus 100 thieves and c nine versus Flykos. We had three best of fives this past weekend. Digging toss versus 100 thieves in the lower bracket started us off with the weekend, which meant that we already said goodbye to one of the teams potentially definitely for the rest of the year. And a reminder potentially forever. We do not know which teams are going to make it into whatever the north american conference looks like next year. So there is, I mean cheer for your teams while you got them. Everybody cheer for these players while you got them because nobody knows what is going to happen. And Dignitas did take the series. Even energy with a losers interview contracts very emotional in the interview. We'll talk about that later about the uncertainty of the future. But first off, this series, Dignitas with the three two. Now Magnus, actually, I'm gonna throw this one over to you. Dignitas versus energy. How are you feeling about the close series? Because this one did go the distance and man, was it a sloppy series between both these teams.
[00:13:53] Speaker C: I feel really bad for contracts. He was just trying so hard throughout this whole series and it felt like he was dragging, dragging like four dead bodies behind him through this whole series, trying, but it was just not a good look for either team.
None of these games sparked joy.
It was just either really just one sided or it was very sloppy back and forth throughout all the games.
And eventually the games just went late enough to where the team who had better scaling usually won. Except for kind of the last game, it's a little arguable, but games three and four, it was just kind of like, okay, we have the better scaling champs so we just kind of win now is sort of how it felt.
[00:14:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that what this hawk, I'll let you hop in with your thoughts as well, but I feel like with this one, it in a way showed the lack of energy's ability to fully pivot to the new meta. They keep trying to do things that had worked for them in the past, but just don't feel like they're working right now. Like they're playing the Jayce in the mid lane. They're playing like poppy multiple times in top lane, which sometimes can work in certain matchups, but like when you're leaving Lillia up like Poppy doesn't really do much against that. Like it just, it felt like they didn't have a clear understanding of how they wanted to play the game and they didn't have the coordination to pull off what they were attempting. But I wonder what your thoughts are.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: I really did just feel like that series epitomized NRG season, you know, where they, they just are good players, but for whatever reason, they never once found their groove this entire year and it was hard to watch.
But you know, it is what it is. It's kind of, kind of just the way the cookie crumbled for them. I honestly don't have much to say about them just because like they, they tried. They tried, man, they really did try.
[00:15:52] Speaker B: But yeah, I mean, contracts had a pretty decent series. I think Palo Fox was having a great series until game four. That Azir in mid lane where he almost threw the entire series and their season.
But then the rest of the team were able to clean up a fight with a smolder front to back.
But that was a big moment for Palafox is like, even the broadcast, like, building him up, like, he's doing pretty well. Almost just throws everything. Cause this was a literally dig, win, then energy win, dig, win. Energy win, dig win. So back and forth series could have been a three one, but because of energy's ability to scale and that the.
[00:16:30] Speaker A: End of game five was also really sad.
[00:16:35] Speaker B: Ultimate, man.
[00:16:37] Speaker A: It's funny, too. I feel like a lot of people were kind of overblowing it. Like, if I'm being honest, it was such a, like, oh, that's unlucky. They cooked it, but it happens, you know what I mean?
[00:16:48] Speaker C: They were both looking for the same thing in the fight, and both saw it at the same time and hit your button.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: I would consider that unlucky less so than a misplay, but for it to happen in that moment is definitely like, oh, no.
[00:17:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And for anybody who didn't catch it, just a reminder. Bard can sometimes descenergize with your own team, and when everybody's trying to engage at the same time and find people out of position and make hero play, sometimes things do not layer correctly. And, yeah, energy was definitely.
I mean, it was. It was a tough series emotionally for them. You have to imagine, like, contracts. Again, I talked about the interview at the beginning, so we can talk about it now. And even, like, in the game, he's got, like, a Bjergsen side eye moment. Does anybody remember when Bjergsen, when it was Covid, like, remote play and he, like, looks over at Doublelift after Doublelift, just has a stupid in play. The Haunters Mordekaiser.
[00:17:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: Contract had a very similar look at Dokla after that play where he's just like, oh, my God. Edges, like, looks over to his right and it's broadcast caught it, and he was so tilted. And then they did do a losers interview. Kobe did it with him. It's always tough to do those as a broadcaster to really manage the emotions of the player. So oftentimes you just kind of want to let them talk about whatever they want to talk about and what contracts want us to talk about. Washington, it was very hard.
I don't know if either of you caught it, but I'll just give a summary of it. Basically that he was obviously sad that they weren't able to bring things together this year, but he basically said, we have no idea what's going to happen next year. Nothing certain. I'm just so happy I got to play with this team. For three years, this was the CLG corps that became energy. They won a championship, changed one player across all three years. Actually, no, sorry. Because they also swapped out the bot lane with Luger and poom. That was the original bot lane, but very few changes to the core of the roster over three years. And expectation is that we will not see this roster with these five players again.
[00:19:00] Speaker C: I'm really happy we got to see contracts, though, because I feel like he was just kind of a sub on a lot of teams and only got brought in for certain meta changes or for just, you know, sir, their jungler's not playing well. Let's just throw contracts in and see if his aggressive nature and playstyle can do something.
So it was nice to see him actually get to play full splits in the LCS.
[00:19:24] Speaker B: I still think that contracts playing at his best is the best jungler in NA, but he does not play at his best consistently enough.
[00:19:34] Speaker A: I disagree with that. But he is very good. I like.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: That's fine. That's fine to disagree with. That's. That's my statement. He just has such. When he. When his brain is working correctly, when he's in the flow state, he knows exactly where the enemy jungle is. We saw it even in game two. He's just completely predicting everywhere that Spica was going to be on the rift and I think just kind of out jungled him in the early game, but he just isn't able to do that every game. And it's a hard ask to say, hey, can you do this every game? But when he's on, he's on. But we will not be able to see him for the rest of the year because Dignitas did take it. It was a close series, three two, but they took it nonetheless. That was our first best of five of the weekend. Up next on Saturday, we had Team Liquid versus Flyquest. Now, I actually.
Or, sorry, sorry. Team Liquid versus 100 thieves, not flyquest. I'm reading the wrong thing. That is this coming weekends. So Team Liquid versus hundred thieves. And yeah, we all predicted a 30 on the podcast and yeah, we were all right. It was a 30 very fast series. This is the only one I made it to live over the weekend and I'm still happy I did because I still predicted it was going to be a fun series. Hawk, I think it was still a pretty fun series. It was a bit of a blowout, but early game at least. It felt like hundred thieves were fighting back, but God damn, did sniper get cyber bullied that series. They did not let him chill in these lane swabs.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: I would say it was a fun series. If you just want to, like, huff all of the hopium for Team Liquid possible because they looked really good and, like, the games felt interesting, I guess, to your point, right? Like, there was a chess match going on, but, yeah, I mean, team liquid was just so much better at the chess match, man. Like, I don't know what to say.
[00:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: If you want to get really hype about team Liquid, that that is, in my opinion, what made that series fun, because, goddamn, they look really good.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: My thoughts on this series, basically, was that three fifths of hundred thieves were able to deal with the lane swaps and the two fifths that weren't able to deal with it.
That was like a black hole, maybe even four fifths. You could argue that river was on the same page and helping hover where he needed to, but sniper very clearly is not a player comfortable in these lane swap scenarios. He's playing the Jacks and the Renekton, and he is playing aggressive in lanes and getting Giga punished for it. And he's just not surviving the dives to the extent that players like impact have shown, you can survive them with. Now, I'm not gonna. I don't say that's like a damnation against sniper because, like, he's a very young player. I think he's got a great ceiling and more to develop in his career. This is the first time he's ever played in a lane swap meta, and so hopefully he learns from this, but that it was. The clear difference was just the fact that sniper could not survive in the side lane. And even though everything else was going well, like, I actually. Tomo had a pretty good series. I think that Quidd had a pretty good series, except for some of the team fights on smolder. He was mispositioning and getting Giga punished for it, but overall, I felt like there was a very clear underperformer here, but I don't even hold it against him just because of how hard it is to play against this iteration of Team Liquid Mongoose. Do you have any thoughts on this one, though?
[00:23:04] Speaker C: The meta is just not good for 100 thies right now. Like, river is not consistently getting the champs that we've seen him pop off on, and he's not really able to have as much control over the game in the similar way that he used to with a lot of the champs that he would play. And then the rolls for the lane swap is just. It's tough. So it's it's hard to watch this team because I really like river as a lot of people know. And then we were also really excited for sniper. We kind of got a little teaser in the beginning split of how good he can be and how good he will be. I think he's just going to keep getting better and better. So I'm excited to see him next year. I know he's going to find a team even if it's not with 100 thieves.
But I'm still, they're still in. So I'm excited. I'm still excited to watch them. It was just this series was very hard to watch as someone who wanted to see 100 thieves at least put up a game.
But for Na, it's exciting because TL does look like one of the best teams that we're going to be sending to worlds all time.
So I think it's exciting in that fashion.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: Yep. Just don't get too excited because we know what happens when our hope meter gets too high going to international events. But I do agree that they are looking like one of the best regular season performing teams that we've ever sent to the world championship stage.
Yeah, I guess. Final thoughts on hundred thieves. I'm just sad that sniper has did not get a split of actually lane phasing against impact.
[00:24:33] Speaker A: He got the riven.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: True, true. But I wish that the meta he had just had the ability to get some more reps in in a traditional lane. But also hopefully he's able to learn from this lane swap meta and grow maybe even quicker than he would have otherwise as a top lane player. Everything that I've heard about him as a player from people on the team that I've talked to is very promising, that he's a player that takes it very seriously and is not like a cocky young guy. He's more like, I mean, he's got an ego because he's, you kind of have to to be that good at the game, but it's not like he's fairly humble. Oh, I know more or I'm better than you kind of ego. It's like I know how good I am, but I know when to learn. Like when it's time to buckle down. So yeah, hopefully they can turn things around because they have a another lower bracket match or rather their first lower bracket match coming up. But before we get into that, the final match of this past weekend and probably the most, I guess, high level league from both teams, I don't even know if we want to say that just because of how crushing some of the team fights were from one side, but c nine versus Flyquest did, in fact, happen. It was not a 30, even though probably should have been based on how game one went. That was absurd. But it was a three one for Flyquest. They were able to actually take down c nine after dropping to them in the regular season. Hawk, was this a surprise for you? Because a lot of us had c nine, but you're the one that had Flyquest. Three two. Is this how you saw it happening from your predictions last week?
[00:26:07] Speaker A: Not at all. Dude. C nine looked terrible. Like, what the fuck were they doing? It's exactly like spring split, where it feels like they just kind of lost, you know? Like, I don't really understand what they thought their road to winning that series was, but their. Their draft philosophy, I felt like, was just suboptimal. I thought Jojo had a terrible series and keeps. He plays like he's faker, except he's fucking poby. Like, I.
Dude, I will say I thought Jojo had, like, an egregiously bad series. Like, he should be embarrassed for how he played that series.
That was pretty unacceptable from, I think, the level of play that he's expected. Level of player that I feel that he is expected to be.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: Four quirky games in a row.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was not. It was not good.
And then. And then, yeah, you got, like, the bot lane played okay. Blabber played okay. I thought, for what it's worth, Thanatos was good, but four Cassatte games, but they were good. Cassandra games.
[00:27:21] Speaker B: C nine almost ran back the top half of the map, all four games. The only difference is an amumu jungle instead of a Lilia jungle one of the time.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: The amumu jungle, man. But, yeah, their draft, it really felt like they were confident in what they wanted to play and how they thought it would work out, and it just never worked out that way. Even, like, berserker pulling out ziggs for the first time in tier one, he had played it in, like, a challengers game in Korea, LCK challengers, but then pulling out the zigs and did not look very good on it. I must say.
My read of the situation is that c nine is very bad at setting up fights against teams that are good at fighting. I think Flyquest is a team that play, plays team fights well together. I think a big part of it is that inspired is actually a fantastic teamfight jungler where his weaknesses that a lot of people give him flag for is he's a low impact early game jungler. He likes to just power farm, but when he's ready for a play, he usually delivers on the play. Like, that's where inspired strength is, is when it's time to actually, like, go for the objective or try and go for the team fight. And I just did not see c nine get the proper setups. Game one, I think, is the only one where they had good fights.
Their base defense was very solid, but. And they also had an early game lead. But then games two, three, and four, it was just consistently, you just look, look at where they die on the map. Look at where they lose their gold advantages. It's dragon and it's Herald and it's baron every single time. And they just are late to the setup and they get bullied off of the objectives from an Ivern daisy and they all panic as soon as the daisy runs at them. And then they lose and it's like, oh, shit. Okay, c nine are bad at team fights.
[00:29:05] Speaker A: I guess you just cannot convince me that, like, c nine enjoys playing the game with one another and believes that they actually, like, have problems that they can fix.
You just can't convince me of that. Watching a series like that, it's the definition of insanity. Right? Like trying the same thing over and over until you get a different result. That's how I feel watching cloud nine.
[00:29:28] Speaker B: I think that they need to next year break up jojo and blabber.
[00:29:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: Based on performances this year, you keep blabber. I know I had earlier in the.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: Year the go jungler of Na. You can't get rid of him. You're stupid if you do. The only argument for getting rid of blabber is, like, change of pace, you know?
[00:29:47] Speaker B: Well, so that was basically not exactly my argument, but. But the point I brought up earlier in the year was like, I think there is an argument that you pick Jojo if Jojo has a really good year, but it doesn't work out between the two of them. I might actually choose Jojo over Blabber because a player like Jojo in the mid lane, I think is going to be way harder to replace than a player like blabber in the jungle.
Na has just a bigger jungle champ or jungle player pool than mid lane.
But after summer split. No, you keep blabbering. I do not think you invest in further stocks into the Jojo base.
[00:30:23] Speaker A: It's kind of crazy because a lot of accounts that I've heard are that, like, Jojo is very lazy and he should be really embarrassed for his performance is all I'm going to say for how much hype surrounded him and how much, honestly, I believe that he has thrown it away. It's tough.
[00:30:38] Speaker B: Last year, going into summer finals, there were conversations. Nothing confirmed, nothing locked in but conversations. Actually, no, sorry. This was two years ago. This was Chicago finals. Remember when we did the ten year anniversary when we brought in like all the best players, like the top ten LCS players on broadcast? They talked about the fact that players like Jojo are probably going to be in these conversations in the future if they maintain their trajectory and two years later has not done that and it is disappointing to see. So hopefully he can turn it around, but it has not looked like it so far. Does still have another life in the lower bracket. So you never know. Could still make worlds, could still make a run, but it's not looking great right now. But that is last week. Any final thoughts on the games from last week that we didn't cover or are we ready to get into predictions?
Sweet. I gotta put my predictions seen visually in the audio medium. Some shaking heads. So let's go on to next weekend. We have three more best of fives and that means that we will not actually have our finals for lcs yet. LeC finals are gonna be wrapping up this next weekend. But lcs, you have to wait another weekend after. This is gonna be round two of the lower bracket, round three of the lower bracket along with the upper bracket finals. So let's start off with the first lower bracket match, hundred thieves versus dignitas.
Now, I have 100 thieves, 30. And I will say I've been the biggest dignitas believer on the entire cast all summer. Split. Big dig season, baby. Big dig energy.
And they beat energy. And that was the only team that they could beat in the playoffs. They're going to bomb out three one. He did throw his predictions in there. Mongoose, you got a 30. Hawk, you got a three two. All right, Hawk, what? Why do you think three two? You think that Dignitas is good for two games?
[00:32:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I mostly also just think that honestly, like, I, they played each other once and hundred thieves swept them and it was surprising.
Now, dig, they had their wake up call. They just dusted themselves off, won a grinder against NRG, 100 thieves coming off a tough loss. I think both these teams are going to be really juiced for this game and as a result, it will not be as one sided regardless of, like, like, it's honestly, like, mostly a mental thing, if that makes sense.
[00:32:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:01] Speaker A: Like, I just refuse to believe that dig is going to get swept out by 100 thieves for the second time when they're this like veteran.
[00:33:06] Speaker B: You know, I would love to believe that, but I personally think that Dignitas is not going to be able to do the lane swaps nearly as well as team Liquid was if they even attempt to them because they really haven't shown that they want to do lane swaps that much. And if you don't lane swap against these hunter thieves roster and you let them actually have their laning phases, I think that they are a very good team and very scary team and just better than the Dignitas players. Despite the veterancy of the Dignitas members, I think that hundred thieves have shown more spirit and more mechanical skill throughout the summer. Split mongoose, what are your thoughts though? Quick 3.0?
[00:33:41] Speaker C: Yeah, quick 3.0. I think hundred thieves is just better. I think after the series with TL, it's just kind of, kind of be more of a wake up call to them than Dignitas. And Dignitas, from what we saw in the NRG series, just was bad. So I think 100 thieves is going to be able to beat them and just, just team fights. Like honestly, just even teamfights, I don't even think the early game is going to matter as much as it did against TL where TL will just completely run over the map. I think it's not going to matter against Dave. It's going to come down to teamfights and I think 100 thieves is just better at team fighting.
[00:34:16] Speaker B: Okay, well, that's our thoughts on the first match. That brings us to our second match. It's a little interesting how they're doing the schedule, but I guess it's to give more time for the lower bracket gauntlet, as they have kind of coined it. I know it's not a true gauntlet like it happened in the past. It's just a lower bracket, basically. But the second series of the weekend will be Team liquid versus Flyquest, the upper bracket finals. Team Liquid have looked dominant so far. Perfect season. Dropping a couple games, but no series. And yet to drop a series here in playoffs. In their first one, yet to drop a game in playoffs. Technically I have them dropping one. I got a three one, but both of you have three zeros. Hawk, do you really think the team block is just that much better than FlyQuest that they don't drop a single game?
[00:35:00] Speaker A: I still think Flyquest sucks. I just think cloud nine sucks more. I think FlyQuest has. Has major issues with how they approach their mid game, that team Liquid will not let them get away with like cloud nine did.
[00:35:13] Speaker B: I'm trying to remember.
Did.
Did they drop a game to fly quest at the regular season? I mean, I'm actually looking it up right now. Yes. It was a two one win for a team liquid against FlyQuest in week one. That was their first opponents.
Yeah, week one's tough to really put much stock into that, but theoretically, FlyQuest can still do it. I have some faith in them, but I think we both, or we all agree it's team liquid going to the finals. They should win the series, no problem. Which brings us, actually, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna challenge this. I'm gonna challenge myself. How does fly quest actually pick up a game? Weppo is not gonna play Renekton and the other three games. He will, and they'll lose. So there we go. That's simple. Easy challenge self five.
[00:36:00] Speaker C: FlyQuest drafting has not been, I mean, the last game against c nine. Their draft is really, really smart, especially the Jarvan pick, because then it forced the ADC onto something more mobile and then forced their bot lane into a winning matchup as opposed to a losing matchup. So I think the draft, just one game off draft, TL is not ready for it. And they just beat them in draft and then have a better, just a better draft and went off of that.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: See, the thing about TL is even if you get. Get like a winning bot lane, they're just gonna lane swap on you. Like, they're just gonna get their bot lane away from your lane.
Yeah, well, we'll see. Hawk, it sounded like you wanted to hop in with something. Did you have a point there for the maybe how Flyquest could pick up a game?
[00:36:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I think they're good enough mechanically where they can actually team fight against Team Liquid. So if they can get there on even footing, they can definitely take a game. However, I don't think they will get there because Team Liquid is just a better team across the board at, like, basically every, every other aspect of the game.
[00:36:59] Speaker B: So that's where versus yon hype matchup in the bot lane, though.
All right, well, that brings us to our last series of the weekend. C nine versus the winner of dignitas versus hundred thieves. We all had hundred thieves taking it, so we're just assuming it's c nine versus hundred. And as such, we actually have some interesting predictions. Bickle, who's not on the podest right now for this episode, predicted c 930. I predicted c 931. Hawk predicted c nine, three, two. Mongoose predicted 100 thieves. Three, two. We literally have the stack from, like, it's. It's definitely c nine leading, but like, every step along the potential outcomes, we have filled up until 100 thieves with eight, three, two. Hawkeye, I want to hear from you first because you think a close series, but still c nine taking it.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm honestly, like, why do I feel this way? I think cloud nine is still the better team.
I think their players are significantly better. I don't think that this is hundred thieves split to make that run. They're going to. They might get there, but it's not this split. However, I think that they're young and scrappy and they are good enough to exploit cloud nine's problems with how they play together. Like river and quid alone against blabber and Jojo can get leads. And if you can get leads over blabber and Jojo, you can win games against cloud nine.
[00:38:31] Speaker B: Okay, cool.
I'll give my thoughts before we get Mongoose's eventual River cope. I think that c nine are still just better players individually, even if some of them are having a rough season and they're. Team cohesion isn't always there. I think that every lane should be better than their lane counterparts. Should be doesn't mean it's going to be. But on paper, I think that they should be. But I could see a world where 100 thieves win this series and knock c nine out of world's contention, which would be Jojo's, what, fourth international event missing? That's two MSI's and two worlds that he would not be participating in. That is crazy. That Jojo, the guy who we all had so much faith in and hype in after the 2022 worlds, would just kind of bomb out after that. But Mongoose, you think that's the future for us? Why do you think 100 thieves, three, two? Is it just river cope?
[00:39:35] Speaker C: C nine has been looking real spotty, and I think hundred thieves is going to have a lot more practice coming into this. It is just a lot. River Cope, I will agree.
But we saw Jarvan in the LCs.
We saw him in a game. He could come back. River could just slam Jarvan in all these games, and for whatever reason, it's not banned, and Jarvan just takes over. There you go.
[00:39:58] Speaker B: That would be crazy. What a world. What a world that would be. That's lcs weekend predictions. Let us know if you agree or disagree in our community discord, but that leaves one more thing to do with LCS before we hop over the pond, and that is to eulogize the team that we will not see for the rest rest of the year in NRG. I'll take this one because energy, even though the itself does not really hold a place close in my heart by any stretch, the roster does. They are the remnants of CLG.
Still have faith CLG could come back, but for now it was just kind of cheering on the players that had been on the at one point or another and energy still had that momentum coming in. That was CLG's championship in summer. I still believe that, but energy just were never able to achieve that same peak. And this roster, if you look at historical context, they were a fifth, like a 6th to fourth place finishing roster consistently over the three years that they were together. They peaked that one time where they won lcs, but every other time regular season would be like finishing 7th through fourth and then playoffs was finishing 6th through fourth.
So they really are kind of around the same level. But this is definitely a low because this is a 7th place finish essentially for them.
Had hopes for them going forward, but it's a tough league. Things get more competitive when you drop the number of teams from ten to eight. And hopefully we still see some of these players going into next year, specifically contracts. Palo Fox are two that I would really love to have starting roster positions going into whatever next year's format looks like.
Rip energy.
So with that said, that means it is time to hop over the pond. LEC is about to wrap up their season finals. That's right, they had winter split, spring split, summer split. Now we're into the season finals tournament to determine who's going to worlds and we now know the three LEC representatives at Worlds. Let's talk about how we got there. There were two best of five series that happened this past weekend. Up first was MDK versus Fnatic in the upper bracket finals. And oh boy did we have a lot of faith in Fnatic last week. And technically we were right that they did win the series, but it was a close.
[00:42:25] Speaker A: Way too much of a banger, man.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: Way too much. All right, hock to start us off then. What do you think about MDK versus fnatic and how shaped out, dude?
[00:42:35] Speaker A: I mean you can't, you can't resist the Mad Lions or MDK late season bullshit. Surge. Like, I really don't know what else to say. Also, like, they all played well individually, which is not something that we've really been able to say about them in a long time. Supa had a really good series for the most part up against Noah in June. You know, a couple like, tough games here and there, but also some really, really good ones.
And fnatic kind of looked like shit. Razorick probably had his worst series that we've seen from him in a while. You know, when Fnatic was really good, Razzwork was popping off and I don't think we really got to see that.
This past series Oscar also struggled a little bit as well, so. But yeah, mad, mad really had to go to the distance. And I mean, fnatic, you know, they can't play a normal series anyway. Like, none of this should be surprising to anyone.
[00:43:33] Speaker B: True. And also, Merwin just can't play a normal champion pool.
Nidalee top played coming out thrice after.
[00:43:42] Speaker A: Two games of Cassante. So he started as normal as humanly possible and then immediately became a weirdo.
[00:43:48] Speaker C: And after last week of them drafting it and them being like, we're never picking Nidalee again. Yeah, they drafted three times, picked it.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: Into a gnar, picked it into a cassante, picked it into a kennen. Actually, some of those might have been blind picks. I actually don't remember how many of them were counter picks, but yeah, that was crazy. We also did see the amumu also in LEc. It was not just an lcs special, and I'm realizing that I got my order wrong. This was the second game of the weekend, so sorry if anybody was peeved by that. We'll cover the first series after this, but for now we're still here. So it was a win for MDK, then a loss and a loss and a win, then a loss and. Yeah, I mean, I think the fnatic are still the raid bosses of the year so far with how shaky g two has looked, but I don't know, monkeys, what do we think? Does this give us concern for fnatic going into the finals? That, like, would we have felt better about a potential rematch against g two if they had 03:00 because honestly, I don't know if it changes our perspective of a fanatic versus g two. No matter what happened in this match.
[00:44:51] Speaker C: I don't think it changes anything just because of how bad g two have looked.
Especially since the end of summer. This GT's look terrible and fnatic. I mean, big. Shouts to MDK. I know when the playoffs started, everyone was like, mdk being here is bullshit. Like, they don't deserve to be here. And now they've come out. Smack g two in the face. Smack fnatic in the face. Even though they didn't win. So they're scrapping with the two best teams in Europe. So they definitely deserve to be going to worlds. I think even with how bad they looked in summer, they might have just realized, hey, we don't need to try in summer. Let's just save everything for, for the playoffs and just do a run.
But I think, I think their prep has been really good and I don't know. We'll see. I'm excited. I think it's a lot more exciting now that g two is having to come up through the lower bracket. It I think if g two just won out through the top, everyone was just been like, well, just another fucking day in Europe for they've done it.
[00:45:55] Speaker A: So many times from the lower bracket, though. Fnatic's knocked them into the lower bracket like three times over the last couple of years.
[00:46:00] Speaker B: I swear, they just, they're inevitable. They always come back. But MDK are going to have a rematch potential against them. Or actually they will have a rematch against them. We'll cover that later on in our predictions. But for now, I just got to say I'm very excited to see this mad lions koi at worlds. I think that this team against Na teams like, dude, give me this team versus flyquest. Give me Merwin playing luke nine can be that team. Well, okay. I think any of us could, but it's just going to be crazy, dude. Like, the way that they play and the way that they draft is so exciting. It feels like they're doing what g two used to do. G two doesn't really do this anymore where they have these like random crazy one off picks that then turn into almost like staples for them that you always have to keep in mind going forward into draft phase.
And I think MDK are really embracing that identity, which is really cool.
So that was the first, sorry, technically that was the second series. I had them out of order on my list. But let's talk about now, the first series of the weekend, the g two versus bds. Again, I will say closer than we expected. We all pretty much had three o's. I had a three one for g two. But again, BDS, man, they're making things interesting. And they made g two reverse sweep the series mongers. How many times has BDS been reverse swept?
Three. Three times, that is. Come on, guys, what are we doing?
[00:47:40] Speaker C: It's crazy. And the way that this series started off, too, where BDS just came out, won game one pretty convincingly. And then game two was a little back and forth, and then into game three, bds was feeling really good, and they were still kind of laughing towards the end of the game. But game four started, and MDK or not MDK, bds just started. You saw the smile start to slowly go away. G two is still just. Just laughing, having a fun time.
So I think a lot of it is. You could see g two been here before. They're like, we're down 20. So what? They still need to win another game and just come back out having fun and just kind of loose.
And bds sort of getting in their own heads a little bit towards the later part of the series.
[00:48:28] Speaker A: If you're a fan, just over your eyes.
[00:48:30] Speaker B: Dude, Ice tried his goddamn hardest to get them across that finish line. Hawk, I know that you're a fan of ice as well, and kind the team's looked. So what were your thoughts on the series?
[00:48:41] Speaker A: Dude, bds, they can't finish, man. They. They miss worlds off that series. Like, I I honestly have so little to say about it just because it was like, it was depressing. They look so good until they actually think they can win. I, like, someone just needs to tell bds that the series is lost before it's over and they'll be the greatest team in the world, but instead, they fumbled. I'm really sad for them, but also, they kind of made their own bed, so I don't feel that bad, but, like, man, yeah, it's. It's tough. They're good at. They're. They have good early games. Honestly, good credit to, like, their coaching staff for putting together good early games with a team of players that I think, like, just individually should never be able to keep up with g two. It's actually pretty cool.
[00:49:26] Speaker B: Yeah, except for game five. Well, five, but by that point, you.
[00:49:31] Speaker A: Are shattered inside because it's happening again. Like, you already know you're cooked. So, you know, who cares at that point?
[00:49:39] Speaker B: Just abused nuke in that game five. That was not very fun to watch. Mid lane to, like, ash arrow into.
[00:49:48] Speaker C: Caps jumping in, flash ulting him back into the rest of his team. And it's just like, they're just feeling it. Like, you can just tell when g two gets into that groove in game five, they were already into it, like, from the start.
[00:50:01] Speaker B: And the worst part is, you look at the BDS draft in game five, and in my mind, I'm like, okay. Mundo, maokai, cassiopeia, ezreal, rakan. Just survive early game and you will, like, win every team fight. Right. You have such a beefy frontline, Rakan, such a good engage tool with the maokai to follow up. And then consistent DP's out of an ezreal and a casiopeia. If you can just keep people off of them, which really, it's only like a cassante who's gonna be threatening the backline. Maybe a brand ultimate makes it back there. So just survived the early game and not survived early game did not look good. So unfortunately, bds always edgy, never finishing. They're bowing out of the 2021.
[00:50:43] Speaker A: They're even better gooners than the team that's named after gooning.
[00:50:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Shout out to tier three.
Okay. Yeah. That was last weekend's games. Any final thoughts on that, g two? Are we confident in them? Do we think that they looked good coming out of this series? What positives can we say about g two from that weekend's performance? Mongoose.
[00:51:07] Speaker C: When g two gets into their groove, they're pretty much unstoppable.
I think once g two's feeling it and once they've figured you out, they're just going to have fun and dismantle you while they're laughing at your dubbed corpse.
So as long as you don't let g two get into that groove and get into your heads. I think they are a very beatable team.
I think we saw bds just dismantle them in the first game, and I think you can do that as long as you don't let g two find that groove, which it's hard to do. Not a lot of teams have done it, especially teams in the west, but it's. It's possible.
[00:51:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that g two, it's so hard to crush their mental. Almost impossible to crush their mental. And I think part of their performance in games one and two might have been the fact that they were locked for worlds. Like, they're not really fighting for much other than seeding, going into worlds. So there's an argument that they might have wanted to just lose coast to be like, all right, now we can take a break and rest up before going to world championships, but also dodging out on play ins is probably ideal for them as well. So who knows what their motivation looks like going forward. But that means that their motivation will need to continue into next weekend because we have lec 2024 finals weekend up first, g two versus MDK. Winner will advance and face on fanatic. This is a rematch for MDK. G two of round one in the upper bracket where MDK beat g 232 and pretty hype matchup. Honestly. I mean, again, MdK, they always make it interesting. The way that they beat them last time around was heavy emphasis on top lane drafts choices. This is where they brought out the nidalee for the first time and things like lulu top lane, smolder top lane. So they really threw a wrench in the g two draft plan with all these flex picks. And I think that with the level of prep that they had against g two the first time around, hopefully they can bring more stuff this time around. The problem being that g two might be more ready for it now. In terms of prediction, I have g two taking it, but I have it a three two. I actually think they're still going to have to work for it pretty hard. And I think it's actually crazy that across the board everybody else says g two 30.
I'm going to need you all to defend yourselves a little bit here because g two has had five game series, back to back.
One loss against MDK already. So, mongoose, you start off, why do you think g two three o?
[00:53:39] Speaker C: I think they've already played MDK and they've also had another five game series to watch of MDK. So they have a lot of film on them from just the past two weeks or three weeks whenever they play that first game.
So I think, you know, g two coming into it is just going to have the better prep. I think MDK got the better of them in the first series, but MDK had how long to prep to play against g two? Because they're like, we're going to be the last seed going into it, or at least the last of like the upper, just because of how well they've done. So they knew g two was probably going to be their opponents. So how long did they spend prepping for that, and how long did they get to watch g two? And no one saw MDK for weeks.
So I think now g two is just going to come back out and just do their normal thing. They seem to be feeling it. They just are back in the groove. And it's also g two. Like, it's hard to pick anyone but g two when it's Europe.
[00:54:33] Speaker B: It's easy to bet on them, that's for sure. Hawk, do you echo the thoughts?
[00:54:37] Speaker A: G two is going to clock in and win finals. If it's fnatic, they're going to choke as they always do. And if it's MDK, I just don't think MDK pulls one over on them again. You know, it happened once. It's not going to happen again.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: All right, well, I still have faith in MDK to at least bring us to a close series, but I think g two should take it.
So I have them three two. But that means that the finals, we all agree, would be fanatic versus g two. So let's cover predictions there. Oh, my God, mongoose, you are so based. Okay, first up, everybody has five games. Bickle, who filled in his predictions, also has five games. Bickle has three, Hawk has three. Myself and mongoose, the believers in fanatic, with a three two. I'm gonna start. And then, mongoose, I want to hear yours. And then we'll let hawk be the surprisingly only g two defender on the pod, even though, I mean, they've won everything this year so far. This would be, like, the full sweep for them.
But the reason I have it is that I really want it to happen. I really don't want g two to just be that dominant for a whole year. And fnatic, they've had so many chances, man. So many opportunities to beat g two, and they just can't do it. This would be cathartic. This would be like. Like, you know, I don't want to use the edging reference again because we just did it for bds, but, you know, the sweet release at the end of the year. We'll just put it that way. Mongoose, what are your thoughts on it, though?
[00:56:08] Speaker C: I think everyone just wants this to be a five game series. Yeah. I don't think anyone wants anything less. Every time fnatic g two play against each other, it's almost always fun, except for, like, the few times where g two is just 30 them.
But I think this matchup is going to come down to top lane. How visible are they going to be able to make bb into Oscar? Oscar.
And, I don't know. We'll see. I hope it's a three two. I would love to see fnatic back on top again, but I think the safe bet is g two, as it's always been. But I don't know, something about fnatic right now just liking them.
[00:56:45] Speaker A: So I realized I confused my series as well. But g two's gonna blast mad lions. Cause I've seen them before. Yeah. Okay. But in the finals. Sorry. Yeah, I realize I got my stuff mixed up. G two's gonna clock in, and they're gonna make sense.
[00:56:59] Speaker B: They were gonna have to beat Mdk anyway.
[00:57:01] Speaker A: Yeah. My stance, this entire split on the pod and I'm not intending on changing it has been that until a team proves to me that they can be cheetah, I will never believe that it can happen. And fnatic has still not done that. I would like for fnatic to win as well. I was. I've always been a fanatic fan. I have a fnatic jacket in the closet behind me. I would love if they win, but until fnatic actually does it, I'm not going to believe that they will.
[00:57:25] Speaker B: What the hell is the 30 MDK then? They're the team that just beat you.
[00:57:31] Speaker A: Proof that they could do it legitimately. Think that was a ridiculous fluke.
[00:57:37] Speaker B: What the hell is this logic fluked.
[00:57:41] Speaker C: Three games out of g two.
[00:57:43] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Literally. Like, I still think MDK is a fake team. I mean, they took. Yes, they beat g two and they took fnatic to five games, but like, fuck them. You know? Like, g two's gonna show up and they're gonna take care of him. They've seen it before. Adjustments.
[00:57:59] Speaker B: God, be hilarious. Also, three og two. How funny would be so funny, Steve?
[00:58:04] Speaker A: They're trying to beat their MDK is gonna try to beat g two when they have the opportunity to make it a g two fnatic finals. They stand no chance whatsoever in that series.
[00:58:12] Speaker B: That's true. Yeah.
[00:58:15] Speaker A: The gods of league will not allow MDK to make that series interesting. Four g two must roar into that grand finals.
[00:58:24] Speaker B: That's a good point, that the script. The script's pretty obvious for what's going to happen.
But either way, you have g two, three two. Because of your reasoning that fnatic have not shown the ability to beat g two in a best of five series yet this year. And you know what? I can't discredit that because that's pretty sound.
Fnatic just have not had the juice yet. And again, I really don't know which way I truly think this is gonna go. I just picked fnatic as my prediction. Just because, again, I think that's a more exciting outcome to the end of the season to deny g two the full sweep of the year. But, you know, it'd be cool to see. It'd be cool. Yeah. But that's it for lec. And we already wrapped up lcs. We are. We are right at the end of the regular season, the regular year of games. We only have two more weeks before it's going to be world conversation times where we start doing all the prep and the fun leading into the world championships. So enjoy it while last everybody, Lec finals. We will be doing a watch party on this weekend on Sunday. I plan to be there bright and early in the morning. So if you want to hop into the discord, make sure or feel free to join me. Rather.
I am not casting NACL on Sunday, so that's actually a day off for me, which is ideal convenient for the calendar schedule because we're also getting into lec end of playoffs or. Sorry, Nacl. What am I saying?
Anyway, that's going to do it also for this episode. Wow, another fast one. I love how fast we're efficient.
[00:59:58] Speaker A: This trio or. Well, I guess it was Steve. I guess it was Yumi and Lennon last week, wasn't it? But either or.
[01:00:02] Speaker B: No, you last week.
[01:00:04] Speaker C: Yeah, it was pickle.
[01:00:05] Speaker A: You're right. I'm confused again.
[01:00:07] Speaker C: Hey, but we finished exactly when we said we would.
[01:00:09] Speaker B: We did. I said on the trivia by 08:26 p.m. it's 08:25 p.m. guys, we're fucking on top of it. Let's go. How can we waste five more minutes so that we go overtime?
[01:00:21] Speaker A: Oh, man.
[01:00:22] Speaker C: We could talk about LCK.
[01:00:24] Speaker B: We could. You know what? We really didn't talk. All right. If you want to talk about LCK, come join the community discord. Thank you so much. Also a five star wherever you are. Listening to the podcast really helps us get noticed and get more exposure as we're trying to continue the podcast and also grow it going into next year because it's a big change for lcs and that's always a fun time to cover the news, but it's been a fantastic episode. Thank you so much for coming on Mongoose and Hawk, and thank you, everybody for listening along. We love. Yeah, and we'll see you next time. Bye bye. Bye.
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