League Rundown - Episode 557: Masters of the predictions

[00:00:13] Speaker A: Gets a little too far here. He's gonna have to try and get himself out living O Tillery and the rest of the shots of fire. Zion is just killing the next Zion can eat it single handedly win the game by game by game by game by should be. Oh my God. Stupid passes through and manages to the table with Messiah tanking it up. I do not believe he just believe. I cannot understand this game. Unicorns of Love. It wasn't a mutant. The Nexus. Hello and welcome to episode 557 of the League Rundown. This is your 2025 LEC Spring Split Week 3 review and LTA Split 2 review. This episode is lovingly entitled Masters of Prediction because we had probably the best success rate we've ever had as a podcast last week. I'm your host kangas and I'm joined by three esteemed co hosts. Up first we have Mr. Mazelpl. [00:01:33] Speaker B: Hello. I am excited to be back and talk about your wonderful title. It was. It's great. [00:01:40] Speaker A: You know, sometimes you got to gas ourselves up because usually we are terrible at predictions. [00:01:45] Speaker B: But you should have got with like Masters of the Predictions or something. Like Masters of the Universe, you know, like the he man stuff. But whatever. I'm not, I'm not. I'm not you. You know, I'm not. I just, you know, it's not too. [00:01:56] Speaker A: Late to change the title. [00:01:58] Speaker B: Change the title after this. [00:02:00] Speaker A: Yeah, when Ian edits it, he'll have to. Ian put this sound bite in Masters of the Predictions. There we go. Now it's fixed. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Incredible. There was literally nothing wrong. Now there's nothing wrong. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Yeah, it's perfect. Also joining us, we have a random minion caster. [00:02:17] Speaker C: Hi. That's. [00:02:20] Speaker A: That's it. [00:02:20] Speaker B: That's like nice, nice. [00:02:23] Speaker A: Great energy. [00:02:24] Speaker C: I mean usually I come in as like some joke or something and I don't know man, like after the bullshittery we just had, it was kind of like a doomer session. [00:02:31] Speaker A: So that really did lower the energy, you know. [00:02:35] Speaker B: Yeah, we gotta up the energy with anger. [00:02:39] Speaker A: True, true. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Get out there and protest. Riot gate. No. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Speaking of bringing energy back and adding energy into things, we have a new co host joining us. Guest on the pod. Please welcome Shibby. Shibby. It's your first time joining us, so give the audience a little bit of your background, your history. I know you're, you're a longstanding caster in the scene and a lot of collegiate stuff, but what should people know about you? [00:03:07] Speaker D: You guys thought DEI was abolished. It's back, baby. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Oh my God. Love that it's the first thing we say. [00:03:16] Speaker A: What a. [00:03:17] Speaker D: What a way to open for me. [00:03:18] Speaker A: Incredible start. [00:03:20] Speaker D: I was. I just had to like up the energy from rmc. Yeah, I mean, color caster, right? Fan of North American League of Legends and League of Legends for a very long time. I've just been watching it. Damn. A date myself since I've been like 15, I'm now 29, so I've been watching league for a long time. [00:03:39] Speaker A: You're like an original fan then. [00:03:41] Speaker D: I. Dude one of my favorite memories and I still can't remember. I can never remember if it's MLG Anaheim or if it was mlg, like Dallas or something like that. But there was a game where Scara busted out AP Master Yi against TSM and like just destroyed them. And like that was one of like the core. I think every league guy has a core memory of like, oh, this is when I became a fan. That's when I became a fan. Because like Scara was known to bust that weird out, right? With like the Katarina, the Soraka, mid. Old Soraka and stuff like that. So yeah, I guess, yeah. Diana mid Gragas, all that stuff. So yeah, I guess I'm like an OG fan. But you know, it feels weird talking about it like that because I feel like a lot of the people I talk to now and the fans I talk to now are like, they didn't start watching until like 2018 or 2019. [00:04:25] Speaker A: You know that that is a much more common these days. Even like 2020. Like Covid actually had people start watching like around that time. So it's really interesting to hear. But I didn't know. When did you start casting? Because I. I first. We met each other years ago. At this point it was probably like pre covered maybe around Covid, like when we first interacted. [00:04:45] Speaker D: Yeah, I think our first interaction I think was around Covid or like it was around 2020. I was working. I was working a lot during that time prior to Covet. And then I got like everybody else, right? We just got like locked down. And right prior to that I was doing like, I was doing like a, like a esports business, podcast stuff. I was just like kind of hadn't needed a creative outlet. So I was doing that with somebody, somebody from like the Overwatch scene. And we were like talking about like how Overwatch League is gonna die because. [00:05:15] Speaker B: Of COVID Who could have seen that one? [00:05:18] Speaker D: We talked about even prior to Covid, like, like regionalization and like the city stuff like this is stupid. And We. Yeah, we were interviewing people, if you guys are familiar with, like, who Hastro is from Envy. I think he rebought Envy now. But, like, we had him on. We talked to people from Cloud 9. It wasn't like, super. It wasn't like any game specific stuff. It was just, like, the background I was in. I was working in bankruptcy, oddly enough. And that guy, the dude that my co host was. [00:05:44] Speaker C: Who? [00:05:44] Speaker D: My co host. [00:05:45] Speaker A: There's so much lore. [00:05:46] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, there's a lot. Like, I'm. Like I said, I'm 29. I've done so much with my life now. [00:05:52] Speaker A: You've lived a life I've lived. Yeah. That's like, ancient in esports. [00:05:55] Speaker D: Yeah, I've lived a bit. I've lived a bit. [00:05:57] Speaker C: I'm getting a little bit worried. Shivi went on a podcast about Overwatch. Overwatch Died Kangas, what have you. [00:06:04] Speaker A: I just brought about a podcast about the prospects of lta. [00:06:08] Speaker D: I'm. I am all four Horsemen combined. I am pestilence It. You know, no comment. I want it. I want it to live. I want League to live like everybody else, right? Like, in one way or another. I don't. I don't actually think it's a terrible thing if, let's say, like, League's demographic or audience becomes, like, super specialized. But then we just cater to that specialized fan base. Like, maybe the product changes in the next couple years. It's not like the huge, big fanfare that we have now. But, like, I don't actually think there's anything wrong with specializing to, like, a catered core of individual individuals. Right? Look, like R6 and Rocket League, like, they don't have the biggest audiences in the world, but damn if they don't have, like, a dedicated fan base of people that watch, that love their story lines. The casters thrive. Everybody thrives. So, like, I don't. Maybe the idea is maybe we get rid of the dream of, like, we are a major region comparatively to, like, LEC and LCK and lpl, and let's just kind of be like our own tiny, specialized thing with, like, I don't know, 50 to 100,000 people max. Like, maybe that's the. Maybe that's the vision now. It's not dead. We're just. Yeah, we're shrinking. [00:07:15] Speaker A: I've also heard that. I've heard that argument a lot. It's just like, least Esports in general kind of was oversold back in the 2060s to 2020 era, and it was blown up to be bigger than it naturally should have been and now it's just kind of course correcting. I'm hoping that that is the accurate assessment and that it will correct and stick around. Obviously everybody listening to this would be hoping for that. But at least we know that you did curse us already. So hopefully we can do some some magic to reverse that at some point here. But we have some juice to talk about so let's hop into the episode. Proper global news. Mazel. Can you give us the LPL update? What' over in a local league, the. [00:07:58] Speaker B: Circle of Suck is alive and well. There was a graphic made just last night or two nights ago from you on Twitter showing the Circle of Suck. And it is literally just a giant circle of every team beating every single team. And it is actually just hilarious because it's true. It's like not even like made up stats is like literally scorelines from the games, which is just hilarious to me. But Group Ascend a little bit chaotic. IG have now lost three series. Billy, Billy went 2 and 2, lost two in a row. Somehow fun. Plus Phoenix found two wins off of JDG and Weibo, a team that was expected to be 8 or 8, 9th and 10th in group Ascend, which is the upper group. The group that is in the good if you will, teams like Weibo at the bottom of it at one in three now, the best teams are still anyone's legend. And Top Esports, much like back in split number one, still very, very dominant using the meta very very well. Top four of Group Ascend, which we still have like six more weeks of, will make it directly in the playoffs. The top four really matters. So right now that top four would be anyone's Legend, top eSports, JDG and NiP. But we play games every day, best of threes and it's double round robin. So the 10 teams that are in group ascend get to play 18 series or 19 series rather. [00:09:27] Speaker A: Wow, that's a lot. [00:09:30] Speaker B: 18? No, no, it is 18. [00:09:31] Speaker D: Three L10 splits combined. [00:09:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And they're best of three. Their best of three fearless. So yeah, it's a lot of games. Unfortunately, the other side of things, Group Nirvana. I call it the deep dark hole of the lpl because the bottom two teams are eliminated after this split from the rest of the year. A big name in LNG is already 0 and 2 in that group. And unlike Group Ascend, it is Single Round robin and Group Nirvana. So not only are you being punished by almost being eliminated, you also have literally so many less, more, less games because it is Only six teams in Group Nirvana, so you're literally only playing five series. So they've almost lost over half their series. So lng, a once prominent name is looking like they might not even be in Split three. Everything else is a little bit more up in the air. LGD is 2. 0 in the group. They're looking pretty strong. [00:10:23] Speaker C: Aren't the other two teams like at the bottom of Group Nirvana, like the. The old historic teams? Like, was it. [00:10:28] Speaker B: That entire group looks like absolute ass. I'll just tell you that right now. Like, you not even do not even watch those series. Your eyes will bleed. It is literally so bad. And I blame it on the fact that they don't. They don't get as many games. Like, they literally get so many less days of games. And not only that, you only played best of ones to get into this point. You only played four of them. So it's just like. It's so tough, man. Or six of them. Sorry. And it just feels really bad. It feels like you got punished and now you're being punished even more. It doesn't feel like it's getting any easier. [00:11:04] Speaker D: LPL needs to freeze from an unknown person's party, man. Like, it is. It is done it. Like this guy is jailed. Like Zika is actually jailed. Like I. You're right. It's. It's actually. The games are horrible, but when I see Zika, like a little, like a little flutter of hope comes into me and it gets crushed out every time. I'm so sad. [00:11:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty bad. [00:11:28] Speaker A: Remember that guy? [00:11:29] Speaker B: But I mean, if you're a fan of really wild, wacky League of Legends, like, go watch the Group Nirvana games because they are like absolutely batshit wild. There's some stuff in there that I've never seen happen in League of Legends. [00:11:41] Speaker A: So shout out another caster in the scene, Grapes, who I don't even know what it was in reference to, but he posted like meanwhile the narrative in. In Group Nirvana. And it was something like spongebob meme, where everything's like really psychedelic and weird looking and spongebob just looks panicked. It's like, I don't know what's going on, but I think that paints a picture. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's like a perfect picture, honestly. [00:12:06] Speaker A: All right, well, that's lpl. And since we have RMC on the pod with us. Rmc, I would love to hear what's going on in LTA south since you've been covering that league as well. [00:12:16] Speaker C: Okay, for sure. Let's start with the lpl since we're already there. We had an import this year from the lpl. Korean player Bertle was playing the LPL for. It was lgd, wasn't it? He was playing for. [00:12:29] Speaker A: So yeah. The downfall started the connection. [00:12:34] Speaker B: To be fair, LGD have been ass since like 2016. [00:12:38] Speaker D: Okay. [00:12:38] Speaker A: Fair. Yeah. [00:12:39] Speaker B: Okay. [00:12:39] Speaker C: That's right. Well, Berto brought it to Brazil. He actually got kicked off. He got kicked off the team this week and Summit, the former top laner for R7 who was kind of considered the best top laner last year for LA and brought them to Worlds. He replaced Bertil. The joke is why Bertl got kicked. He was playing for istrus estral, the first seed coming out of LTA south in Split 1. Apparently they went to boot camp in Korea during the break and he went to Korea and apparently didn't practice with the team. Their mid laner had hurt his hand so they were having problems scrimming and Berto didn't want to play solo queue. So he just went around touring Korea while he was there back home, I don't know what. And then he came back to Brazil. The league started and Isto session was having problems and apparently one of the scrims I believe was against Red Canids. They were losing badly and he tilted off the face of the earth, decided that he was done with it. Just went into his room and locked the door. They had to cancel the rest of the script. [00:13:33] Speaker B: Wow. [00:13:35] Speaker A: So yeah, that's like some like C9 season three right there. [00:13:41] Speaker C: I mean C9 were a bunch of friends, right? Like they didn't even. [00:13:45] Speaker A: They were still like immature gamers, right? [00:13:47] Speaker C: True. Yeah. [00:13:47] Speaker A: You know. You know, that's more Dardoch 2015. You're right. [00:13:50] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Breaking point style, right? [00:13:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:54] Speaker C: It's just Estros and Org is having problems too. They are the again. They were the first seed coming off LTA south and split one. They were the only LTA south team to win any games against LTA North. They are currently sat at 014. They have not won a single game in LTA south right now. And so is this Astral as an organization is actually two orgs that came together from the loa. It's is and Estral. They're two separate teams. They're probably gonna have divorce by the end of this year. They are having a fight internally right now. Their managements. And the joke was the one thing they could agree on was to kick Bertil. And Bertle's agent was the one who actually replaced Him. Berto's agent went to the management and told him, hey, guys. Yeah, if y'all need to replace Bertil, I can get you summit. [00:14:37] Speaker B: Nice. [00:14:37] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:14:39] Speaker B: Wonderful. [00:14:40] Speaker A: So it's a terrible agent by though. [00:14:43] Speaker B: Absolutely awful. [00:14:44] Speaker C: Depends on what Berto wanted, right? If Berto wanted to go home, maybe that the agent's doing his job. [00:14:49] Speaker A: Oh, you know what? Fair. I guess I had thought of it that way, that it was collusion between the two. [00:14:54] Speaker C: I have no clue what's happening. [00:14:55] Speaker A: Collusion. Yeah. That's crazy, dude. That's a wild story, though. Wow. [00:15:01] Speaker C: It is. It's crazy. And the week, in terms of games, week two has been kind of weird. Well, if you're a fan of South America, you know that things always get kind of weird and wacky and expectations always get upset. But yeah, week two was very much so. I already mentioned, ie is 014. They didn't win a single game. They actually lost one of their games to Fluxu W7M, which is the team that had not won a single game up to this week. This is their first win in 2025 and they got it over split one proceeds. This is absolutely nuts. Yeah, just a lot of upsets. Pain dropped the game randomly to Furia. That's Linkard's team, who is starting to ramp up. They're looking really, really scary. The standings basically look almost flip from what we saw in Split one, where, like, Cayde Stars, who didn't win a series in split one and they went out seventh, eighth seed. They're currently 40 at the top. Furia, he'll foul in the second round. They are second seed along with Pain Gaming who choked out the end. And then like, Loud is at the bottom one and three. Well, not at the bottom. They're just above Israel, who's at the bottom. But yeah, the standings in the south are just completely flipped from what they were in Split one. So things are getting kind of crazy. And with us rounding things out, the super week next week. Yeah, there's a lot of fun lta Fantasy is going to be wild down south, dude. No team has a perfect, easy three zero sort of week, so. [00:16:17] Speaker A: Yeah. And by the way, speaking of fantasy, oh, my goodness, the south teams have really been throwing a wrench in everybody's wraps because, like, they score so many points. [00:16:29] Speaker C: Yep. [00:16:29] Speaker A: There's so many kills and just crazy that happens down there. It's hilarious. [00:16:34] Speaker C: Our 80 carries are cheap for the points that they rack up on a good week. [00:16:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. But it's also so funny. Watching the market, every week, players lose five points in valuation and players gain five points. I'm like, I. Dude, this is impossible to predict, man. Yeah, it's crazy. [00:16:50] Speaker C: The latam fans are kind of losing sleep right now with the way Levyaton and I have been performing. Anybody who believed in IU right now is flat broke in the LA Fantasy market. [00:17:00] Speaker A: Oh, no. Well, hey, hopefully they've been drafting lion players because lion up here in the north has actually been doing all right, so. But that's. Thank you for the LTA south update. Next up, LTA north update here. We don't have a lot of global news going on, but I wanted to give an opportunity, at least for our audience. There hasn't been like a lot of public stuff said about this, but I just wanted to give clarification of like, some of the tech stuff going on. I don't know if anyone has noticed. Has anybody here noticed how awkward the end of games have been consistently with caster calls? Raise your hand. You can verbally raise your hand. Anybody? No. No. [00:17:39] Speaker C: See? Not actually, no. [00:17:40] Speaker A: Oh, awkward. Okay. [00:17:41] Speaker D: I don't know about, you know what the word. I don't know about awkward. [00:17:46] Speaker A: So the reason I say awkward is because we're trying a new thing where we end the. We give the final call and then we pipe up player audio to close out the game. So we give the final call before like the Nexus turrets have gone down. So we get to hear what the players are saying at the very end. Especially if there's like. Because a lot of times they'll like waste time trying to like dive tower and stuff. And they're laughing and joking around like it's. We kind of want to capture that energy in that moment, but still do service to the game. So, like have the big ending call, but just do it 10 seconds earlier. Right. Really tough for a caster because sometimes you don't know if the game's going to end or not. So we've been experimenting with it and unfortunately we really haven't pulled it off yet. But I just wanted to give some clarification around that. That that has been something definitely on our mind that we're working towards and we're hoping that we can nail it because in theory, when we've done it in testing, it sounds awesome, but we just haven't been able to like fully translated to Live yet. So if anyone's noticed that, it sounds like this crew hasn't. So that's good. But that is why some of it has been a little dc. [00:18:54] Speaker B: I also have not caught a lot of games live. Been very busy. [00:18:57] Speaker A: That is totally fine. No worries. [00:18:59] Speaker D: Yeah. So I have a question. [00:19:00] Speaker A: That's it. That's a quick update for LTA North. Update on the rundown community though. We have fantasy point updates. Still in first place is BRN. Congratulations. You now have 227 points or 227.61. But coming up in second place, gaining on him, it's me. I got 214.62 points. Let's go. Caster Logic Gaming. Making a name for ourselves. In third place is Light Team at 209.92. And I want to give a special shout out to Duffy, our old leader, the previous main host of the podcast who stepped down last year in last place in the community. [00:19:45] Speaker B: Nice. [00:19:46] Speaker A: With 61.7 birthday dudes. [00:19:49] Speaker C: Okay, wait, wait. [00:19:50] Speaker A: To give. [00:19:51] Speaker C: To give Duffy credit, he also missed round one. So he's all. He only had half of potential. Yeah. So he. [00:19:59] Speaker A: Oh, it's way funny if you don't give that clarification though. Damn it. I didn't know that. All right. I'm just gonna keep pretending like he's just really bad. [00:20:05] Speaker C: That's fine. He's still less than half your points. [00:20:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Let's go. Man's drafted. Freaking. I don't even remember. I looked at his roster. He had Shaden. I was like, why'd you pick Shaden this week? Shade in week one Made sense. Okay. [00:20:19] Speaker C: Sniper, Shaden, Quid, Masu, and SEOs. [00:20:22] Speaker D: That's not even a bad lineup. That's not weight. [00:20:25] Speaker A: What thoughts on that lineup based on the strength of schedule. Every week I draft solely on strength of schedule. No other consideration. I think that's the way you do it. Yeah, that's how you got to do it. But also, just to compare BRN7, who is currently in first place with 227 points, the All America's leader is at 283. I want to say BRN was not in the top 100. It was maybe top 200. But there you go, community member, at least within some amount of points of first place. It's still kind of far behind, but you know, we're gaining on them. There we go. Also, if you have not joined our community, Discord, make sure that you click the link in the description wherever you are listening, as well as if you have the ability to and wish to, you can help support us on Patreon or through our Merch Shop League, rundown-shop. Fourth wall.com youm can find those links also in the description. But with that said, we're ready to get into the episode proper. Shibby's first time. Happy to have you on here to chat. Starting off with lec, we had some LEK games happen this past weekend. A lot of best of threes and the last weekend with the triple block Saturday. From this point forward it'll only be double blocks of games for the rest of the split. So this is the last time we're gonna have to cover this many of the matches. But in typical fashion, let's start at the top of the leaderboard. One team has already claimed four games won and Shibi, I want to give you the honor since it's your first time. How many of the KC games were you able to catch and what was your impression of how their week looked? [00:22:00] Speaker D: Yeah, so I, I, I caught that Carmine Corp. And you know the game that went to three games with Team Heretics. I, you know it's really also we. [00:22:09] Speaker A: Called him Kaiba Core here. [00:22:10] Speaker D: Just heads up, we Kai, that's beautiful. Yeah, yeah. Third rate mid laner with a fourth rate deck or something like that. I wish. [00:22:18] Speaker A: Fourth rate draft. There you go. Yeah. [00:22:20] Speaker D: Fourth reaction. There we go. There we go. Finish that up. Yeah. You know what's really weird is that I know that game went to three games and it like, you know, Team Heretics had control of game one for a while but then for whatever reason, you can never count Casey out. It almost feels like akin to those old G2 teams or those old like when Mad Lions was really dominant in lec where like at, at the drop of a hat, they can kind of just like randomly team fight their way out of a goal deficit. Even if it's like two three thousand and a team like that, like, like that. I know a lot of people are like, oh my God, they went to three games with Team Heretics. Team Heretics not even that good of a team. Yeah, but like they, I felt like they kind of were playing with training weights on. I don't know, that's just like kind of my, my perspective of them because games two and three kind of just looked a lot better from Carmine Corp. That game one loss still was close. Like, I don't know, they're still, they're still like the best, if not one of the best teams in there. Like and I feel like, like if they're down 5,000gold against like Fnatic or G2, they'll just team fight their way out of a win and somehow like win the game. That's just Carmine Corp feels in inevitable almost. [00:23:29] Speaker A: Yeah, they, they definitely. Even though they lost a game, it didn't fully shake that feeling that they are like still fighting for that number one spot. It's pretty much them G2. Maybe you could put Fnatic or Koi in that conversation as well. But I do want to give shout outs to team Heretics for having some fun with the draft in that game at least, you know, they had the Cho Gath mid. I, I liked seeing a ch. It did all right. It was probably the best performing player on that team for, for that game at least. [00:23:59] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, it's like Rift maker Shurellius Cho Gath. The whole point is just like you build the those boots that let you recall and you just like shove a wave and you see like, where can I go to terrorize the map? Is it going to be top, bottom, or am I gonna pair up with my jungler here? Shale? I think having a pretty solid series, I think a lot of people initially like, were hyped on show. When he came in with Niski on that, I forgot what roster that team they were on and, and then. Oh yeah, which one it was? Yeah, I, I think it was all right. Yeah, yeah. And then he kind of like petered off and then Camilo comes in and you know, I, I, I, I like this duo. I think they're underrated at the moment. I think a lot of people hate on Chao, but I think he's just trying to do the best he can, bro. He's like flack it and stand like he's got like, dude, he's really trying. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Carlson is your top laner. [00:24:49] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:24:53] Speaker A: They pulled out of their ass in their other series. We'll talk about that later. But Carl said, oh, that lady phase is a little rough. But Casey's other game or other series against sk that was just clean, dude. Like, holy. They just kind of bent SK over which man, I'm such an SK believer. Should be. Don't know this about me yet. I, I loved the storyline of like Kadui and Bukata coming in. I was really rooting for them. But GNX was a little heavy in that series and I think that Kalis going deathless again. He's had so many deathless series by this point. Like, this kid is crazy, dude. [00:25:27] Speaker D: He's. I, obviously the leagues aren't comparable and like, obviously Mizel could probably talk to this, but as a rookie, man, like, he's having like a Milky Way Type split and like, he's not falling off. [00:25:39] Speaker C: You know what I mean? [00:25:40] Speaker D: Right. Like, I. I just. I just brought back like, nightmares. I bring my Milky Way, dude. Like milk? No, the. That split of Milky Way. [00:25:47] Speaker B: RNG's coming for him, man. They're gonna get him, dude. [00:25:50] Speaker D: That. They're gonna get split of Milky Way where he was just like running the league as the jungler was so insane. [00:25:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:57] Speaker D: But like, yeah, Kalist is having that and then building upon it. Like, I don't. I cannot remember the last time a rookie has had that much of an impact and has. That has had that much of like a mechanical difference against players. Like, usually they're like slightly mechanically better. The rookies or like they can kind of like edge their way out here and there. This guy is just playing on another level, like, just fundamentally. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I've loved watching the. The whole come up here for Kalist. Crazy to think that, like, the only team that they've dropped to is Fnatic, which is like one of the top teams. When do they play G2? I'm trying to like, look ahead. Is that the last. I think that's the last week. Right? That's one of the road shows. I'm pretty sure that's going to be such an exciting match whenever that does happen, because that's like the final test here for Casey, basically. But yeah, I think overall I. They are still one of the teams fighting for the top, but the team right behind them, right at their heels right now, rmc. There's only one team still without a single loss in series left in the lec. They don't have as many wins as Casey. That's. That's why they're technically second place. But how's she too looking? Because for. For what I can see from these game timers and gold grabs, it's looking pretty good. Yeah. [00:27:17] Speaker C: I mean, as you said, G2 have yet to drop a series, so obviously they're still doing really, really well. They got to face off against Rogue this week, who. Yeah, they're. They're not G2. They are like the opposite of G2 right now. They are what? Actually they're the opposite of Carmine Corp because they're one in four. Where Carmine is four in one. So, yeah, I'm gonna be honest. That series is probably not the one you want to watch. It's Fairly clean from G2. [00:27:43] Speaker A: If you're an Adam fan, you can watch it. He actually, he only died once and he like, let's try to keep him in the game. As best they can. [00:27:49] Speaker C: True. Her Aurora was actually clean that game into a broken blade. Game one, Very cool. Correctly. But it's ranged into one. [00:27:57] Speaker A: Game two we played the Garen, the classic Adam pick. [00:27:59] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:27:59] Speaker C: I mean it's ranged into Melee and really outside of Lane, like what did you want him to do when his whole team's falling apart? Yeah. Pretty strong performance from G2 in general. But this week was not one that I think is worth highlighting. G2 when they had an easy schedule in one game. [00:28:15] Speaker A: Yeah, their schedule so far has been easy. They had Koi in their first series and they. That's where they dropped one game. But then after that they played right now Rogue and then they played what was the other one? [00:28:26] Speaker C: Heretics. [00:28:27] Speaker A: It was team Heretics last week. Yeah. So not too hard. Not too hard, all things considered for G2. So we'll see. Once they finally get challenged, their next opponent coming up here is theoretically an easier one too. It's BDS this coming week, so we'll talk about that more when we get to predictions. But expectation is still G2 is gonna have a strong start to the split until they eventually face off against the Fnatics. The. The KCS Koi was their first kind of hurdle and they got over that one just fine. So speaking of one of the teams that could be challenging G2, we have Fnatic up next and their series, they had one game or one series rather, versus vitality this past weekend. And it was game two was very clean. Clean. Game one was a bit of a comeback. Oscar Rinna was getting rocked in the top lane on this Gwen vs Neck Naco of all players because God, that guy is a little flip floppy on when he does well and when he does poorly. Had a lot of backup from the team, but least Fnatic was able to win the Baron fight and then completely turn the game around. From that point they were in control. They needed the second one to close it, but still like pretty good stuff. And then game two, in classic Fnatic fashion, it was just kind of low action for a while until they just eventually overpowered their opponent and then won a couple team fights and then boom, game's over. I think in general, Fnatic are still a slightly boring team to watch, but they are one of the teams that can challenge for the top. I don't want to use the word fraudulent because I think they are good, but I feel less confident in them this split than I did the last split. And I think part of that's just how much Casey has stepped up. So yeah, we'll see. Fnatic can challenge at the end of the day. After that though, we have a bit of a clump here of a few teams. There's two that are tied at two and two and then two at two and three. One of those two and three teams I think actually can punch its way up based on how this last weekend went. But up next is movie star Koi. Let's go, baby. Jojo Pun, our goat from North America. Mazel pop quiz. Did Jojo step up and absolutely smack around nuke. The answer based on my predictions might surprise you because, you know, I don't want to spoil it. What do you think, Jojo? [00:30:51] Speaker B: If I saw. I watched like little bits and clips of them from this weekend, I think it wasn't necessarily about him, but it was more so about Olioya. [00:31:03] Speaker A: Now that's actually a pretty good point. Also game one, Merwin. If we're being honest, Merwin's champ was so fun, man. His. He pulls out the Varys. I'm still waiting for that Lulu to come out. At some point we're gonna see it. But game two, I think JoJo did step up a little more. But yes, it was Olioya kind of controlling the pace of the game. Eight zero eight on the xinjiao. Absolutely decimating. And this is BDS I. That's kind of the spoiler. I'll talk about them now. They're 2 and 3. I actually have some expectations for BDS. They had a rough weekend losing to Heretics as well. Definitely expected them to win that one. But I think that they. They should be better than what we saw this past weekend. Like I really do think that they can step up 113's just got to get his together and figure out how he wants to jungle again because he has not been. [00:31:53] Speaker D: He's a figure build man. I'm done. Giants belt like 20 dines belt. How many belts do you need, man? Like period. How many? How big are your pants? [00:32:04] Speaker B: Be real. [00:32:05] Speaker A: So he. He's going for that like the. The logic that, you know, finishing the items is less gold efficient based on just the pure mathematics of it. Yeah. [00:32:17] Speaker C: But yeah, the power spike is inefficient for it because at the time you. [00:32:22] Speaker D: Complete the item he went for his giants belts against like Azir Varys. Like what? Like where's the like what? Like, it's a fashion statement. [00:32:30] Speaker C: Shivi. Maybe he's an anime fan. Have you seen those anime boys? Like how many belts they need? Yes, always yes. [00:32:36] Speaker D: Though the amount of belts I saw, I was getting flashbacks from my childhood, bro. Like, it was like that. What was happening. [00:32:43] Speaker A: Oh, speaking of the. The Varys, Merwin's top lane. Varys had experimental hex plate. That was the first item he built. What the was that? That was. [00:32:56] Speaker D: Yeah. You all. And you just hit him. Right. Like, that's kind of the logic of around it. Correct. [00:33:02] Speaker A: I hate that that makes sense because I haven't seen anyone else do it. And I'm like, what. Why is this not seen more often? You also get the cooldown reduction. Like, dude, Merwin was carrying that game. It was gross. Oh, all right. Well, Koi, they picked up their win. BDS did not pick up any wins this weekend. Still have hope for them to punch up a little bit. But the other team, surprisingly sitting at 22 RMC. It's the boys. SK did it. [00:33:36] Speaker C: Your favorite team, Kakash. [00:33:38] Speaker A: They did it. Yeah. Nobody else believed. [00:33:40] Speaker C: They're kind of going 50, 50 right now. And with the teams they've had to face. Right. Like, in week one, they faced Fnatic, which they were expected to lose against. Then week two, they faced bds, which I think was the. The big one. The which. Oh, sorry. They beat Fnatic and Wheat. One part of me, which was a surprise because they expected to lose that one part of me. And then the BDS was. [00:33:56] Speaker A: Yeah, that one was wild because that was their first game, mind you. Yeah. [00:33:59] Speaker C: And then they up against bds, which was supposed to be like the tough one, and then he got O2, and it didn't really look that all that close. And then this week, they went against Casey and Giantex, and I think this week made sense. They lost to Casey. They beat Giantex. But it is fascinating kind of watching them play because they feel better than I expected, and I almost feel like they should be having a better score. But then you look at the strength of schedule and you're like, it's about there. I think the upcoming weeks will tell us a lot more about the scene. [00:34:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I definitely think so. But I do want to give a shout out that specifically their win versus Giant X didn't fully feel like, like game one. They should have lost, but they were actually able to pull it back. And I, you know, huge props overall to, I think, Reeker for having a really solid performance on the Silas. We hadn't seen, like, kind of a big impactful game from Rikur, but, like, he. He's active early, and he had a really huge play in. In the late Game to kind of like save save one of the turns that Yzma is trying to like really hard dive onto him while they're fighting for the Otacona. He's just able to solo and then like survive for a super long time. But also JNX pulling one out of Merwin's bag and playing the range top ladders. He's got a Varus game himself. And he also redeemed his Vladimir game with his own also with the experimental hex blade. [00:35:19] Speaker C: But it wasn't first item was it for him, I thought did he go the cane Rooken first or. [00:35:24] Speaker A: I don't remember what he built first. He was teched out, dude. Yeah, experimental hexblade. He had the caner return and the wits end because he was against the Rumble. We're just seeing the Varys basically into the Rumble matchup. I think it makes a lot of sense. You just outrange him and he can't really like answer you. But yeah, that's a very tanky build for. For Janx. See I think SK I. I can they maintain. Who knows. They have played one of the harder teams. Actually two of the harder teams. It's really only G2 left so they. There's. It's kind of a coin flip from this position on to see like how strong they're gonna finish the split. But I'm really hoping that they can bring it together. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. Who does that leave? Whoever we talked about. Oh, Vitality. That's like the only team that we haven't really touched on right now. Oh God, Vitality. What a. What a treat they are to watch they get bodied by fanatic. That's really all that happened this last weekend. Game is just so entertaining though like you said. [00:36:25] Speaker D: You know, I actually, I don't know, I don't know your opinion on it. I actually don't think he's that bad of a support player. Like I can't pin the games on him. Like his Alistar was fine. Granted anyone with two hands can play Alistar but like I don't know. I feel like Niski and support you give him another year. Like we might be talking about him differently. [00:36:44] Speaker A: No, I actually hard agree. It's just we're seeing the growing pains right now of sometimes being over eager in the plays and that's something that I think is the difference between a support main and somebody who's role swapped to support is that they don't fully understand the limits of their champions. So yeah, I don't like, hold the games against him. I'm just saying he's entertaining to watch because he will always go for the aggressive plays. Nag Nago did have a great start as well, but they just weren't able to close it out. And I. I don't know if anybody else is strongly opinionated on this. I don't want to see any more Siver in pro play. I am not convinced that this is the champ to pick up bot Lane. [00:37:24] Speaker D: Silver Alistar is like. When I see that, I'm like, cool, we're just gonna lose lane and press r at like 20 minutes and just in our faces off like, I don't know. Silver Alistar is so disgusting. It didn't. El Tan picked it up too, like a couple times. Yeah, yeah, we saw it a couple times in Eltan and every time I saw it, I was like, this sucks. [00:37:46] Speaker A: And it's not even like the pool was heavily pinched. It was like, yeah, you didn't have access to Corky Kalista and Varys, but, like, there's other stuff you could have gone for. I think Ashes still has a spot in some comps. I'm fine with things like the gin or the Caitlyn, even if you have the right support to go with it. [00:38:03] Speaker C: So, yeah, I. I still have hope for Siver. Maybe I'm just Latash right now. But no, like, I just think Siver into Varys and Ezreal specifically, which are meta champions or even in Corki. I think she actually does. She can actually do pretty well. And the other thing I think is perhaps people are using her incorrectly. You're not playing her to win the lane. You just play her to wave clearing skill for lane. So if anything, your sister should be abandoning you whenever they can just drop a ward Sivir just wave clears and then, yeah, you go do your own thing and leave the sivir on her own. If she dies, it's her problem. She still has utility later. And she scales. [00:38:35] Speaker A: But, you know, it's really tough for her to do. Late game when she scaled is hit Varus Aurelion Sol Renata standing a screen away from you hitting. [00:38:44] Speaker D: You hit anything? Yeah, I mean, I mean, we'll probably talk about it when we talk about Eltan, but like, I think it was a dig TL game. They picked Sivra Alley and then. And then TL just went Varys karma. And the thing is, yeah, you're right. Yeah. And Ziggs. But like, the thing is, RMC are right, you should just be able to roam away. But because bot lanes are just constantly swapping up and down all the time and you have to match the swap sometimes Varus Karma just absolutely fisted Siberali the whole game. And. [00:39:14] Speaker C: Tomo. [00:39:15] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. All right. That's El Tan. That's El Tan conversation. We'll get to that in a moment later. But it's a little preview that the the Siver. I'm unconvinced. It's sounding like Shibby might be as well. Maybe RMC has an argument for it, but either way did not work out for a team of Vitality. So that's all the LEC teams we touched on Giant X and Rogue a little bit in their matchups. They're both still at the bottom of the barrel, sitting 1 in 3 for giant X1 and 4 for rogue. The inverse of KC. Who is there? 11 was against Vitality, right? And that was like a weirdly clean game from them. But otherwise they have looked rough. So that brings us into predictions for this next week. Actually before that, sorry, series to watch. If you only have time to catch one, maybe two series, this is what we recommend. This is less of a series, more of a game. My first one is BDS versus Team Heretics. I actually think that that game one was a banger. I really wish the rest of the series delivered as much. I think it's fine. But game one in particular is just like this insane back and forth. There's almost this like game winning push for BDS into Team Heretics base and then it's like an anime fight where like one person comes out at a time to challenge and then finally by the time the fourth person arrives, they're able to like wipe everybody. It was the most ridiculous base defense I've seen in a while. So that was great. And then also I have another Team Heretics one versus kc. I actually thought that series was very entertaining for how hard Team Heretics was able to to push Casey. So that is my recommendation. Anybody else have one they want to throw in there? Anyone that I missed? [00:40:47] Speaker D: Yeah, I think game one of Vitality Fanatic only Game one. I think it was actually pretty good. And it's kind of cool how Fanatic clawed their way back. And I think game one of Vitality Fnatic shows you what NISKI is capable of. Then granted you get the highs of NISKI in game one, you get the lows of NISKI in game two. [00:41:07] Speaker C: If I remember correctly, that game too actually I'm gonna back should be on that one because if I recall correctly and I might be misremembering Carsy Niski. That was a Silver Alistar game, right? And Cars, he actually did deeps. [00:41:20] Speaker A: I think that was game one. [00:41:21] Speaker D: Yeah. Game one. Game one was the Silver Alistar. Game one was the Silver. Yeah. [00:41:25] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:41:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:26] Speaker C: Never mind then. You are seeing game one right now or. [00:41:31] Speaker A: Yeah, you said watch game one. [00:41:32] Speaker D: Yeah, okay. Yeah, Game one. [00:41:34] Speaker C: Yeah, I am backing you on that, on that recommendation story. [00:41:37] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:41:39] Speaker C: Yeah. It also shows how a server could potentially work. [00:41:43] Speaker D: Yeah, true. It does show like it was into like Asol Gwen as well, and Gwen just kind of scaled like. Yeah, I, I, I get what teams are trying to do with Silver Alley. I just, it rarely, it rarely hits the expectation that it's supposed to do and more often than not, it just gets shit on. [00:42:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I have yet to see it really pop off and maybe it's because I'm not watching LCK lpl. Who knows what they're doing over there with the, the pick. If only we had experts that could talk about. Wait, have we seen a siver in lpl? [00:42:17] Speaker B: Off the top of my head, no. I think we might have gotten one though. I do remember. Hold on, I can look really quick. [00:42:22] Speaker A: Okay, you take a look at that and then we can give an update once we get to the savior pick in LTA North. But for now, let's cover predictions for LEC because we want to give people a preview of next week's games up first. I'm going to be honest with everybody. There's a lot of what I expect to be one sided matchups. It's kind of like this last weekend. LEC is kind of like a top three, maybe top four region and we're getting a lot of those top teams versus the bottom teams this next week. FNATIC versus Rogue keeps things up. Oh, you have the answer. Okay. All right. [00:42:51] Speaker B: I was correct. It was one time. [00:42:53] Speaker A: Did it win? [00:42:54] Speaker B: Yes, it did win. [00:42:55] Speaker A: Oh, damn it. All right, well, my entire narrative is destroyed. All right, well, at least it has one. We'll cover more of the silver fake again when we get to LTA North. But FNATIC versus Rogue for predictions. We all have FNATIC across the board to zero. Shouldn't surprise anybody. Giant X versus kc. We also have KC across the board. That should not surprise anybody. We literally have two teams at the top of the standings versus two teams teams at the bottom. The next one's a little closer with Team Heretics versus Vitality. We're all in agreement that it's Team Heretics 2:1. [00:43:29] Speaker D: I'm swap that. I'm gonna put Vitality to one actually. Yeah, I think, I think we're gonna get the. You know, I was thinking about it and like, I think we might get like if we roll high on this key in two games, like they will just be. I think so. Because like nothing about the flacked bot Lane inspires anything amazing to me. Like I can't just see myself. These booming team Heretics bot Lane out the water. [00:43:52] Speaker A: You know what? That's. That's understandable. I still think that team Heretics showed us enough fight with their comeback Again. Carlson's laning's been rough, but in late game clutch situations he kind of clutches up and I think that Shayo as well and Camilo can kind of get the. The ship back on course in very creative ways. So I, I have some faith in team Heretics to at least take down a team like Vitality. But I would be, I think not surprised. Like this one's close to a 5050 for me. I could see either team taking it. [00:44:26] Speaker D: Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if Vitality take it to one and like it's because flack it instead just got like bent over in lane. [00:44:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Next up, G2 versus BDS and a reminder that the first two predictions Fnatic Rogue GX Casey were on Saturday. Those are the only two series for Saturday. Now we're on Sunday, second half of the day. G2 versus BDS got G2 across the board. Man, we are all agreeing with each other. I have G2 dropping a game and so does RMC. RMC. I'm curious if your is the same reason why mine is. It is just so hard for all members of G2 to have the perfect games together. Specifically. You know him, you love him. Labrov will have a messy game every now and then. And I think that BDS guess is a good enough team to punish that to pick up a game. But I still think G2 should win this series. Are you in agreement with that RMC or do you have. [00:45:19] Speaker C: No. Pretty much the same. Like, not to be fair, I didn't have quite as detail a thought that it was going to be the world. But yeah, I do think G2 are prone to make mistakes here and there. And I think BDS is a good scrappy team that can certainly take advantage of that. And I think there'll be a mistake at least once in the series that maybe BDS can kind of pull through on. [00:45:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And to LeBrov's defense, he's had a lot of really good games in a row, which just means he's due for a bad one. [00:45:42] Speaker B: So I love that. [00:45:44] Speaker C: That's the most backhanded. [00:45:48] Speaker A: Next up on Monday, kicking things off. We have two more series to round out the weekend. SK takes on Rogue. Oh, my God. We all think it's SK. Let's go. [00:45:58] Speaker C: But I have a doubter. [00:46:00] Speaker A: RMC agrees. Shibby and Mazel both say SK2 1. Shibby, do you have any big reason or Mizell, either of you want to hop in or do you just think close to a coin flip? [00:46:10] Speaker D: I, I just hate the way plays the game. I just, I, I, I just hope they get grinded in the dust, man. I think, I think these two. [00:46:19] Speaker A: Why do you have the winning game then? [00:46:20] Speaker D: No, I mean, I think they'll just win because, like, this is the thing. How much better is SK than Rogue? You know, like how, like, I don't think the gap is too crazy between those two teams. It's like rogue. [00:46:31] Speaker B: I think it's about a 50, 50 inspire. [00:46:33] Speaker D: Hope to like the five Larson fans that are out there. And then they'll lose again. [00:46:39] Speaker A: Amazing. [00:46:41] Speaker C: Shots fired. [00:46:43] Speaker A: All right, fair enough. Fair enough. I'm back in the SK boys all the way. Let's go, Kathui. Next up to end the week, it is McCoy versus Vitality, and we all are in agreement. 20 across the board. Shibby is not willing to back Niski that hard. Understandably. [00:47:00] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, yeah, it doesn't matter what happens to the bot Lane. I mean, Merlin and Eliot just gonna run it, right? They're just gonna run. They're just gonna run Vitality's pockets. It's just gonna happen, unfortunately, and in. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Classic LEC fashion, because we can never get all of these correct. And since we all almost unanimously agree on everything, save for Shibis, this is probably the one that's gonna be different just because Vitality wants to to spite us, you know? But we'll see. We'll see what happens. That is it for lec. That's what happened last week. That's our expectations for the coming week. A reminder, check out BDS versus Team Heretics, game one. Fnatic versus Vitality, game one. And then team Heretics versus kc. Now let's hop across the pond, the big old ocean. No tariffs for these games. We got LTA north, baby. We had week two of our positioning phase, which is all best of one. Still, this next week coming up reminder is a super week. There will be three days of games and that will end the best of ones. Then we'll see teams into the best of three group stage, which will be the rest of the split, essentially, or until playoffs. So I know it's a bit of a bummer still to do best of ones. There's high variance for it, but all things considered, we didn't see a lot of variance in the games. Things fairly went according to plan. Bickle batted 100 on predictions, and I would say he simply predicted the favorites on paper. I took a couple of spicy ones. Mazel. You took a lot of spicy ones. [00:48:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I did. [00:48:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And then Yanni also threw. I led Yanni astray. Unfortunately, his spicy predictions were the same as mine. And it's because I convinced him to change his mind on a couple of things. [00:48:42] Speaker B: Nice. [00:48:44] Speaker A: Let's hop into it. In first place, sole possession, the only undefeated team we got, Fly Quest. Mazel. Can they maintain the streak? That's the question on everybody's minds. [00:48:59] Speaker B: You know, I think for a good part of this weekend, they absolutely can. I still think this is gonna be a very long weekend for all the teams. I'm very curious to see, like, if they're willing to go with anything more crazy through draft, through whipo or anything along those lines to like maybe ease that a little bit. But I think Fly Quest fans are. [00:49:21] Speaker A: Going to be pretty happy, I imagine. And they have been creative with bwipo. They have been like picking red side in pretty much every game that they get choice just so they can give Bwipo counterpick, which is, I think something very unique that not everyone else is doing in the league not everyone else can do. I think like Bwipo is pretty unique in that way. And their week was pretty simple, all things considered. They had Shopify Rebellion and they had hundred thieves. 100 thieves was the test that I was expecting. But yeah, Mizel, I don't think challenged them that much as much as I wanted them to. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Yeah, no, definitely not. I still hold that. A lot of that momentum from last split is really what led 100 thieves to a lot of their successes. And I think on like on paper and in practice, FlyQuest is just a better team in general. I think that was on full display and I think 100 thieves stocks definitely losing a little bit. I mean, mean, we'll talk a little bit later about the second day, but it still feels like it is like a TL Fly Quest show with C9, 100 thieves, like right behind them. [00:50:28] Speaker A: Yeah. As much as I wanted 100 thieves to contest them. [00:50:31] Speaker B: Yeah, you did. [00:50:32] Speaker A: This was pretty clinical. From Fly Quest and it really does show, I think how much Busio has grown as a player especially. Oh yeah, man, his engages were insane on the the Nico. [00:50:43] Speaker B: So just a good personality, man. The guy is just funny as hell and he's just good for the seed like that kind of him. Sniper like Masiolesk is more shy boy but like I don't know. I. We need more people like that in the league. I think it's really nice to see our young guns doing stuff like that and just having fun with it. [00:51:03] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely agree. They did have another match. So again, like I said, 100 thieves shopify rebellion. So not like the worst teams. Hundred thieves they made look worse than Shopify Rebellion, which was surprising because Shopify, I think that this was probably like our first really good look that we've had from Fudge. All split, surprisingly enough. [00:51:23] Speaker B: Yeah, honestly. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Yeah, like he actually had a really good game. But dude, the draft from FlyQuest man, like saving Red Fly for Bipo every game he plays Aatrox first game this time he plays Scion like he just couldn't be killed in the late game. And Monster really stepped up. Had some really big team fights too. So overall, Fly Quest expectations going forward. Missell, what do you think? Are they like. I know I said all like can they maintain the undefeated streak? Strength of schedule says maybe, but do you think that they are definitively the best team in the North? [00:51:53] Speaker B: I don't think so. I don't think definitively is ever going to be the nomenclature used for what's going on at LTA. I think again there's like a really hotly contested one two spot in between FlyQuest and TL if TL show up on the day and Hunter Thieves and C9 are right behind them. But it still feels like fundamentally FlyQuest is the team with the highest ceiling on the way that they're using draft and things along those lines. I think draft is so, so like more so than in past. Like right now with the meta you can be so unique with what you're grabbing and kind of the power picks you grab. And I think FlyQuest has that benefit over everybody else in the LTA. So I do think their chances are very high to be to potentially even like have that kind of streak going for them moving forward, but at least to be in that finals at the end of the split. [00:52:42] Speaker A: Yeah, hard agree. They're the number one team right now, still undefeated. So I want to take a get everyone's thoughts on them just because I think they deserve it. A Little bit. Chibi, what are your thoughts on Fly Quest right now? [00:52:52] Speaker D: I. I know like, yeah, Mizel said it's like you wouldn't definitively use like, oh, they're the best team, but I think they have top one players in like minimum two positions. I think in top and jungle. If you're 100 thieves and you have sniper and bipo is drawing four top lane bands and like if Sniper is seen as like a top three top laner in the league, I don't know if Bipo is like, like if he's stoppable this season, man. Like, what do you do if you're like dig or what do you do if you're like, you know, even C9 to an extent where Bwipo is just like, oh, you're gonna pick this, I pick this. You're gonna pick this, I pick this. He's like an answer for everybody, everything. And you have to dedicate four bands to him. And then you've left up like pretty much all of Inspired's Champion pool. And he plays a ton of stuff. Even though he's been playing like Zinn and Sejuani, only his ivern's been getting banned out. I'm sure he's got like an AP Jungle pick ready in the back of his pocket if he wants like quad is off. He's just having like a good season again. I don't know. It's tough. Yeah. Fly may not be the like definitively the best team, but they 100 have top one players in top in top and Jungle for sure. I think they have the best top jungle duo in Eltan right now. [00:54:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Inspired is so good. Rmc final thoughts. To wrap up the Fly Quest bit. [00:54:11] Speaker C: Here, I will go against Ms. Hall and I will say definitively Fight Quest is the best team in LTA north right now. [00:54:16] Speaker D: I like to hear. [00:54:18] Speaker C: I think they genuinely are looking the best. [00:54:20] Speaker D: Now. [00:54:20] Speaker C: I won't say they can't drop games, but I think that will be done. Team well, specifically Team Liquid to over perform. I think in general on any given day, like, yeah, Fly Quest is expected to be all these teams, especially once we start moving to best of threes and best of fives. I think that will be more on display than we're already seeing. Now we talk about Bwipo being a beast right now with the champion pool. Yeah, that's really going to be on display when Full Fearless kicks back in again. I cannot wait for that to start up again. [00:54:45] Speaker A: I. Dude, I just want Fearless drafting in LTA north the best of ones not as exciting. But this is just to position teams for the group stage so I can at least stand it for one more weekend. But FlyQuest 4 and 0, we'll keep our eyes on the schedule coming up because they're going to be up against one of the next teams here this coming weekend. We got a big clump of three and one teams, all the teams that are challenging for that top spot. One of which a bit of a surprise still. They weren't able to maintain full momentum from last weekend. But Lions are three and one, so. Yeah. Rmc, talk to me about lion and how they're looking right now. [00:55:28] Speaker D: Frauds. [00:55:31] Speaker C: No, no, you don't get a call. How are they frauds? They're actually delivering. [00:55:35] Speaker D: Go, go, go. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Okay, okay, wait. You know what, rmc, I'm gonna take the microphone back. I'm gonna pass. Yeah, because he's got to defend that point. [00:55:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:46] Speaker D: This team plays DSG and Dignitas and we're like, oh, they're three in one guys. They're three. [00:55:55] Speaker A: This team, Rebellion. [00:55:56] Speaker D: This team is fraudulent. And the game they had, granted, yes, the TL game was arguably the best game we had this season. But TL also looks the most beatable they have in recent memory with this 5 man roster. Like I like we will talk about the games later in, in next week but like there's, there's a good opportunity that TL just like loses next week. Like, like, I'm sorry, Lion is fraudulent. Like they are. They're going back down. They're falling. They shot for the stars. They temporarily landed in the clouds. They are going to the molten core of earth very soon. [00:56:34] Speaker B: Oh my God. [00:56:35] Speaker C: Oh yes. [00:56:37] Speaker A: All righty. [00:56:37] Speaker C: I refuse to be that Saint right now is dominating in the mid lane. Like this guy looks like the best mid laner in the region. Audi was. Okay guys, you guys remember Jose Deodo and we all think Jose D'Yoda is pretty good, right? Like Audi's better than him. Like Audi is the lol. You go to any latam player and ask them like, who's the best player in your region? Like who's the goat? It's not Jose Deodoro. It's friggin Audi Land man. And I think he's been doing really well in the jungle and I love the way he's pairing with Saint. The bot lane as well has been super solid. Like Lions has super impressed me. I was high on SEO's coming in there, but Lions is making me think twice a little bit because Lions has been Dominating. Now, Henna is the big question mark for me on this roster right now. He's been doing good, but I feel like a lot of it's coming off the pressure that Saint's giving and Lions is kind of getting him. So if there's a question mark for me, for Lions, it will be more around how Henna is going to be able to perform later on. And Licorice, which ironically is the 11 actual LTA North. [00:57:34] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:57:34] Speaker C: Licorice has been a problem. Even the. Even in the TL game, I felt like Licorice was kind of an issue. Like, I didn't think Impact looked great, but Licorice was still struggling against impact in that situation. And because of that, if you don't. That was the Aurora game. If him and Audie can't really be diving Yawn, then Yawn gets a lot more freedom to play out the fights and then he gets to do yawn things again, which was what happened. Like, that was just Yawn versus Lions at the end of the day. [00:58:01] Speaker D: But if they lose the fly quest in 100 Thieves, like, are they not just like the. The brightest peanut in the turd pile? [00:58:08] Speaker A: So that. That's the conversation right now. Right. They have. They've only beaten teams that were also bottom four last split, so they haven't punched up. I think the big test for them is going to be 100. The expectation fly should smack him around. [00:58:24] Speaker C: Yep. [00:58:25] Speaker A: But then they have hundred thieves and I think it's C9. They have like the hardest strength to schedule to close out the split and they've already lost TL in a pretty close game. I will say it came down to a pretty late game team fight that they just weren't able to set up correctly for. So I'm not gonna go as aggressive as Shibby, but I understand the point Chibi's making is that they have it actually proven that they can be a top four team. But they're. They put their name in the conversation at least, which is making things very exciting. This is. This is part of the excitement of the positioning phase here, is that we get to have these conversations like, oh, how good are they? And to quote, inspired. I talked to him. This was off camera, but he. Because he got to cast the lion team Liquid game with me and Zale and he actually, he said he thinks that Lion's better than 100 Thieves and that Saints and he actually is really high on Hannah. So it's like I was the same way where I was like, I think Saints the bigger Impact, but inspired was actually like Henna just like does things in team fights that you don't expect. And he's like really impressive to watch how he navigates like stressful situations as an AD carry. And I was like, that's interesting because I guess like that's something that you look at high impact moments but you don't necessarily pay attention to like as much of just the small micro positioning and stuff. But pro players pay more attention to. [00:59:51] Speaker C: That when they're doing B. Yeah, I can see that. I mean Henna's been positioning really long fights. He, he rarely dies. My big hesitation with Henna is that for me personally, I look at DPM for AD carries as the most important stat. Like even if you're dying a lot, if you pump out enough dpm, I can kind of close an eye because you did your job. But Henna's DPM is a little bit on the low side though. Yeah, he has the lowest deaths. I think with to. I want to say yeah, either Van or Hannah, one of the two of them has the lowest desk. They're like the bottom two right now. So. Yeah, that makes sense. [01:00:20] Speaker D: And to your Saint point, like, sure, he has looked like one of the best, if not the best, but I just need to see him off like yon Rise, like that's all. He's played this like obviously been four weeks. Like I need to see what's gonna happen it like when we get to the group stage, right, with the best of three and. Or fearless stuff like that. And best of five. Fearless potentially. Like what does this guy look like? Because like granted Saint didn't look super hot last split. He has looked a lot better. But he's also just playing Yone and Yone is kind of one of those characters that I feel like even the worst mid laners can get a win on. So I don't know. I will see. We'll see. Maybe I was a little aggressive, but I, I just don't think he stacks up. I don't think he stacks a little. A little bit. I don't know if he stacks up well into like, like quad and quid and like he's got the mid lane gauntlet to go through with quad quid and. [01:01:07] Speaker B: And he does. [01:01:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. He's got the hardest mid laners to play against. I would put those three at the top at least in terms of like in order of the good teams. But Saint Putty has his name at least in that conversation is very impressive. I would not be surprised if he can maintain this momentum and like this level of play. Even if lion as a team bomb out St. Saint probably gets all pro somewhere in like top three votes. [01:01:32] Speaker D: So Saint gets poached right by like who knows? I don't know. Probably no one. Never mind. [01:01:37] Speaker C: I just realized like after you. You said those names that like 5 out of 8 of the mid laners in LTA knows right now are Koreans. Yeah, almost all of our top. [01:01:46] Speaker B: That's wild. [01:01:47] Speaker A: And a lot of them were like new like Loki, Saint, Kaney. Like a lot of them came in like at the same time. It's kind of crazy to think about. [01:01:56] Speaker D: Yeah, quad and quit well quads on his sophomore year, right? I don't, I don't. I like to think Quid's on his sophomore year. I know he came in for that one split the year, you know what I mean? But I don't really count that like where he was in and out. Like they're all pretty much on their sophomore years like our Korean mid laners or freshmen. [01:02:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I wonder how that rookie Abadaga is going to look later on. [01:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah, really, you know, interesting new name rookie. [01:02:19] Speaker A: Really high pickup. All right, well that's lion bit. Maybe a surprise that they're still 3 and 1 but again strength of schedule wise it's not that wild to think about. Can they maintain is now the question. But other three in one teams, I definitely think earning this spot here. I'm gonna just talk about Cloud nine for a bit boys, because I intentionally drafted four Cloud nine players for fantasy and then I just picked up the support that could do me. That was the cheapest that I still thought had a good strength of schedule and it happened to be Lions and oh my God, C9 got me so many fucking points. This team was easy. Strength of schedule. DSG and Dignitas, like, are you kidding me? They. Yeah, they smoke both of their matchups. [01:03:04] Speaker C: Okay, it was close but C9, they've got to be the biggest frauds in LTA north, right Chibi? Because their strength of schedule was. [01:03:13] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean they're. I don't like but like do you see how C9 like dominated them? Like, like dude, they dragged DSG around like a lifeless corpse. Like they just like, like what is that? [01:03:25] Speaker A: I don't know man. They lost 100 thieves. Yeah, that's kind of, that's kind of true. [01:03:29] Speaker D: You know that, you know that scene from Troy where after Achilles beats that warrior and he drags him in the cart. Wow, this is like a really old movie reference that's what C9 did to DSG, bro. He dragged him on the Chariot. His lifeless body, DSD's lifeless body across Summoner's Rift. That's what happened. [01:03:47] Speaker A: I don't. [01:03:48] Speaker C: I couldn't hear over the sound of licorice beating Fudge and you know, grandfathering the entire generation. The Shopify game. So I don't know, it sounds pretty similar to me. [01:03:57] Speaker A: All I'm gonna say for that, the the DSG game, there's two points I want to make one who he took Electrocute Bard and then did nothing. [01:04:07] Speaker D: It's just baby. [01:04:10] Speaker A: And then also dude, scary cherry. Yeah. When they're setting up for Dragon and he just walks into the mid lane line brush to place a ward and Insta dies. It's like, what the. Oh no. [01:04:25] Speaker D: It's like, oh, Khalid doesn't punish me for this. Surely C9 won't. [01:04:31] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. C9 also even like the Dignitas game, C9 crushed them despite the fact Dignos did like kind of a cute thing where they had the. The rise go top lane. They put Serdi Rise. Yeah. Into the gnar and then he was like farming up a storm but then just kept dying repeat. Like you. You watch the first 20 minutes, you're like Sergio's playing this pretty well. You watch the last 10 minutes, you're like, oh my God. [01:04:56] Speaker D: Did you see the clip? I don't know. It was on like tick tock and YouTube shorts. It's like Pobelter reacting to Serdes rise where they up the kill onto the gnar in bottom lane. And then Pobelt is just screaming like, oh, you're so bad. You're so bad. There's like a clip going around. [01:05:11] Speaker A: No, dude, I want Serdy to do well. So bad. [01:05:16] Speaker D: She's. [01:05:17] Speaker A: He has not stepped up. [01:05:19] Speaker C: I picked him my week one. [01:05:20] Speaker A: Ben also had. He went deathless this past weekend. Sven was just having fun, dude. He went what like 180 and 11 total KDA. His Kaisa game, 130 and 5 alone. Kind of crazy. There's also a fun like legacy stat because this is actually the two longest running orgs in the north right now. Dignitas is the oldest. C9's the second oldest. It was crazy to think about. But that means that Sven has played against Dignitas a lot of times. He is I think now 160 vs this org all time which is just kind of crazy. Think about this. No. No Dig roster has ever beaten Sven. Wild stuff. So I was C9's weekend, but another team is at that 3 and 1. And they maybe expectations were a little lower for them, but they have been stepping up. Mazel. We got the horsies. Team Liquid. How is their weekend looking? Did we lose Mazel? We might have lost Mazel for a moment. [01:06:25] Speaker B: Oh, it's muted. Team Liquid fans eating good, baby. Eating good. I still think the, you know, opponents they face, maybe not the best, but you got the dubs, and that's all that matters, baby. More so, actually, I was really happy to see a lot of the good iteration of Team Liquid. I still think there's some really bad miscommunication between, like, what Jungle wants to do with the rest of the team, but it was a return to form for TL to some extent that I think people are gonna be pretty happy about. It's still, again, it was versus, you know, dig and Mr. Lyon over there, but it's fine. I still think that it's something to take away is like, they are building in this split, and it's been something to keep an eye on. And one of those storylines that people say are missing. [01:07:23] Speaker D: Oh, you saw the thread? You saw that thread? The. [01:07:26] Speaker B: I did. [01:07:29] Speaker C: I didn't see this thread. Would you like to clue us in? [01:07:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't. I don't think I saw this right either. [01:07:34] Speaker B: Oh, well, there was just like. Like, arsh in the community and, like, a bunch of the name and people were just complaining about, like, there's no stories to latch on to anymore. And, like, the narratives are dead. And lta. That's why viewership is so bad. And then blah, blah, blah. And then Leo, like, made this document, like, posted, like, a bunch of different storylines that are happening. To be fair, though, and I think it's absolutely hilarious. Is like 90% of the storylines are, like, very negative. But there's still storylines, baby, and there's still some narratives in lta. And I think it's just people don't want. [01:08:11] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:08:11] Speaker B: To look at that. I guess. [01:08:14] Speaker A: I think there is a general sentiment and push to never acknowledge the bad storylines. You're like, the negative one ones. It's like, I. And that's something that I also. I. I wish we did more of is hero build by explaining how tough it is right now. Like, I think you can tell a good story by saying it's bad. Like, things are not going well, but anytime you bring that up, that kind of gets shot down. It's like. Nope. Only talk about, like, the positives and, like, the. The good things. So, yeah, that can be a little tough. [01:08:45] Speaker C: Then nothing's good. [01:08:46] Speaker D: Yeah, well. Well, Leo's also like, obviously works for El10 and stuff like that. So like him bringing all the storylines, like, yeah, that dude's gonna have it on tap, of course. But like, if you were to ask the average Twitch viewer. I don't know. That's not. Maybe not the best person to ask. But like, you know, I don't know, like you ask the average person, that's like watching Eltan, they probably only know like 10 of those. The storylines that Leo linked. And that's not at like, I guess a fault of the casters or anyone. Right. [01:09:14] Speaker B: It's just. [01:09:15] Speaker D: Just L10 super low, isn't it and everything, like to an extent. [01:09:19] Speaker B: I mean, I think that inherent. I don't know, I don't think that is inherently an issue. [01:09:23] Speaker C: Yeah. What you doing about this? Come on, bro. [01:09:25] Speaker D: But yeah, Kangas just said half his gets shot down. Like you can't really do no right. [01:09:31] Speaker A: It's. It's like I said, we're all trying. [01:09:35] Speaker D: Yeah. You've got like the. The ancient Chinese foot binders on you, bro. From El Tan. That's what's happening right now. [01:09:43] Speaker A: It. It is. Yeah. There's a lot of. Yeah. I. I don't want to get too much into it. [01:09:49] Speaker C: And that's why you loyal viewers of league rundown are getting the best news here because we are telling the stories. They don't. [01:09:55] Speaker D: History. There's history lessons. When I coming in, bro, I mentioned Gladiator Troy. [01:10:00] Speaker B: Like we're going incredible. [01:10:03] Speaker A: That is part of the. The best part of this podcast though, is it? It first and foremost is like a fan podcast. Right. As opposed to like an in industry stuff. This instance, I don't want to talk about it just because it. It is like my job now. [01:10:16] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:10:17] Speaker A: But I appreciate the conversation regardless and I'm happy to help facilitate it no matter what. [01:10:21] Speaker D: We can circle back to tl. I have one big bullet point on my like note sheet. It's. I never want to see Umpty on Niri again in my whole life. In my whole life. I. I never want to see Umpty on Naafiri again ever. This dude had like 2 kp at like 30 minutes. [01:10:45] Speaker C: But he didn't feed Chiby. That's important cuz he's. [01:10:50] Speaker A: Can'T feed on my bad Shibby. [01:10:55] Speaker C: You got to understand the right mindset right now. It's baby steps. [01:10:57] Speaker A: Right. [01:10:57] Speaker C: The first step to make sure Team Liquid does lose is to stop Umpty from feeding. So we give him a champion. He's untargetable so that he can actually. [01:11:05] Speaker D: Just get Yuji in there, man. Now if Yuji's on Umpty. Oh, that game is so different. [01:11:10] Speaker C: No, if Yuji's on umpty. [01:11:13] Speaker D: If Yuji's on top of umpty with Nafiri. Yeah. Y. [01:11:19] Speaker C: That's a whole different broadcast. [01:11:20] Speaker A: He is now Yuji's seat. Yeah. [01:11:22] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:11:22] Speaker A: We. That's actually. That's a fanfic somewhere. We're not gonna touch bias, man. [01:11:28] Speaker D: What's wrong? [01:11:29] Speaker A: Other shout out I want to give for Team Liquid overall is. I still think Jan is playing incredibly well and is giving a pretty strong argument for himself to be like one mvp. Mvp like front runners. I. I don't think he's one player of the week yet. But there's only been two of those. Obviously it was Saint and before. After that it was inspired. But Jan I think is. Is not very quietly putting really good performances together. It's just he's not winning enough like player of the games, I guess. I don't really know like exactly how that all works from like the cumulative standpoint, but we just give our votes and who we think should get it. Yan I think should get one any day now. He is playing incredibly well outside of the. The only like mistake he made this game that I'll highlight is when lion or the lion game when they were diving and Bard only ults the turret and Jan like instinctively sidesteps the bar to ultimately like that. [01:12:24] Speaker C: That's good reflexes is the problem. [01:12:26] Speaker A: Yeah, right. His reflexes are too good. [01:12:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:28] Speaker A: He outplayed himself. [01:12:29] Speaker C: That's it. Statistically actually. Yon is a funny situation because like I said before I look at DPM for AD carries is the most important stat. Yon has the lowest DPM of all AD carries. Like somehow like when I saw that. [01:12:41] Speaker D: Stat it shocked me. [01:12:42] Speaker C: Yeah, he's only at 527 in comparison. Sven is like 778 and he's the second highest SBI 836 ash games. [01:12:50] Speaker A: That right? Or how maybe not a lot. I know he's played at least one Ash game. [01:12:54] Speaker D: Well that Kaisa game as well. I think he had a really good target selection. Like typically you can farm high damage stats because like if you're playing against tanks like Scion and stuff. But I think that lion game there was no tank. Right. It was like hard. Aurora Xinzhou and like Yawn just. Just willed his team to a victory in that game. Yeah, that AD Kaisa build the Yundal because of the Double AP carries, he wasn't like, farming big damage, but, like, his target selection was immaculate that series. [01:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm actually going back. He hasn't played Ash yet, but he played like Lethality Varys. And then the game that they lost, he played Kalista, and that one was a bit of a. Of a roughy. So. [01:13:33] Speaker D: Yeah, I can check. [01:13:35] Speaker A: Lethality Varys won't have like, insane dps, though. [01:13:38] Speaker B: It's. [01:13:38] Speaker A: It's mostly just poke damage. [01:13:39] Speaker C: Kind of depends. Yeah, I mean, Hulk does inflate your damage if it's not. If it's kind of a low or not. As team fight heavy in the game. So it kind of depends on how the matchup went. [01:13:50] Speaker A: But if you win the game fast, then it won't do as much because, like, a lot of DPM comes from, like, the later the game goes, the higher the AD carries DPM will be. And Team Liquid, I believe, has the fastest average game time right now in the league. So that also could have an effect. But I'm not like, trying to cope or anything. It's still surprising. Stats. [01:14:08] Speaker D: Yeah, no, no, he hasn't played against the tank. He actually has, so this is a hilarious thing. I just checked before games, Team Liquid has not played against any tanks. No, I, like, Alistar is the only thing from the support role, but even then, he's not. He's not playing Garner. Yeah, that's damage reduction. So he's actually getting cut. [01:14:28] Speaker C: He. [01:14:28] Speaker D: He has not played into any actual tanks this whole two weeks. That's probably why his. That's probably why his DPM's low. Like. Yeah, no cap. And then funnily enough, TL is also impacts playing Scion, and so anyone that's playing against them. And if you play against FlyQuest with Bwipo playing scion and like, you're gonna just get more damage. [01:14:48] Speaker A: That's very funny. All right, thanks for that quick investigative journalism. That's enough. On Team Liquid, though, I still think that they are a team that can contest, but they still look shaky at times, specifically in that jungle and sometimes the top position. Also APA's Taliyah will. I wasn't super convincing, but I think overall I'm still like, all right. On APA. Yeah, one team is in possession of two and two, and that is 100 Thieves. RMC. You want to talk to me about the thieves and how they look? Because I'm. I'm kind of. I. I don't think I should talk about them anymore. I don't know. I. I did Too many opinions. [01:15:23] Speaker C: I don't really have that strong opinion on 100 Thieves right now. Like they, they feel like a middle of the pack team. I don't know if it's a hot take. I don't feel like they are top four team right now. I feel like lion is actually above 100 thieves in terms of. [01:15:34] Speaker A: That's the question. [01:15:35] Speaker C: Consistency. [01:15:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:36] Speaker C: But 100 thieves have had a tough run in terms of the, the teams they've had to face. [01:15:41] Speaker D: Right. [01:15:41] Speaker C: Like the, the general expected top four teams in LTA north right now are Fly Quest, Team liquid and then C9 or 100 Thieves. Usually with C9 most people considering them third and 100 Thieves fourth. They've played the other three already. [01:15:53] Speaker A: Right. [01:15:53] Speaker C: They started with C9, they went CL and then they went Fly Quest. So technically their strength of schedule gets a lot easier from here. So this is like the reverse Lion C9 situation right where they had the tough run up front and you know, now it's a question of okay, do they prove their top four on the latter end? Yeah, I think the team's generally doing well. Quid's doing well as a whole. Sniper's funny man. [01:16:14] Speaker A: Sniper. [01:16:14] Speaker C: It feels like teams are picking on him a little bit. [01:16:17] Speaker A: Oh, I definitely think he seems to be like the weak link of the team right now. And I don't even say like it's a true weak link. Like I don't think he's bad, but he is where you can try and put 100 thieves behind as well as just. God, they get goofy around the 20 minute mark. I'm just gonna say it again. This moment that we get out of like the, the mid game transition and start to think about late game, they just lose their freaking minds. [01:16:45] Speaker D: But that otacon fight against Fly, like that was the only play play, right? You get the pick, you've gotta like you have to do it because otherwise you're just losing. Otherwise you're just gonna lose the game outright because yeah, you're already losing by that point. [01:16:56] Speaker C: Like you just had to try. [01:16:59] Speaker D: Go. Go. [01:17:00] Speaker A: That play I think encapsulates 100 thieves and that was like where Fly Quest looked probably the sloppiest in that game because then they're just like tanking otakon and getting all their resistances shredded. They're just looking awkward. But 100 thieves were trying to drag Fly Quest into the team fight mud with them because that's what 100 Thieves likes to do. They just like to scrape and like a side lane. Just group up and and force stuff to happen. And sometimes you can't force things to happen. I do like the style. I think it's very exciting to watch. I'm still a fan of the team, but the problem is that they're not, like, good enough at it to beat the good teams that are patient and will position better than them at the start of fights. [01:17:38] Speaker D: So, yeah, they also get weird around Grubs as well. Like, I think it wasn't that auto fight that, like, the otacon fight that sealed the deal for me. Obviously, like, they lost. Lost it. It sucks. But that grub fight they had where, like, I think Quid is, like, waiting on the other side of the pit and then he just gets destroyed by Yon Sejuani. And then it's like, all right, under Thieves is anything randomly at Grubs? [01:18:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And they're still good enough to beat. The team is below them. They still beat Cloud9 in that first week, which I think is going to really help them in the potential standings because strength of schedule should be easy for them going forward. But the big question is going to be that lion matchup. They haven't played lion yet, and they play them on Sunday. If they lose that, then they kind of lose that narrative of they're holding the line of the top four. And finally we have a team that has punched in to the top four. I think at that point you've switched lion and Hundred Thieves and now suddenly 100 thieves find themselves in the bottom. But I think it also still shows that it doesn't mean we have a top four. Bottom four. I think at that point we have a top five, bottom three. I certainly think the 100 Thieves are good enough to do damage. [01:18:40] Speaker D: I would say it would end up being like a top two, mid three and then bottom two. Right. Because, like, I feel like Fly and TL are like. Like there's a small gap between them and, like, C900 thieves, potentially. [01:18:54] Speaker A: You don't have C9 up there. Interesting. Okay. [01:18:57] Speaker D: Yeah. I don't know. I think, like, TL will eventually get it together. Like, that's just how what they do. As we get into, like, the group stage and stuff, I want to see how loki and. And C9 and the rest the team are going to do when it comes to fearless and stuff like that. Like, it could be just like a 2, 3, 2, right. Like, small gap and then. And then like the three teams and then another smaller gap and then like, the bottom two teams. [01:19:19] Speaker C: Yeah, I can kind of see that. I'm kind of with you should be. Though I will say so far, what we've seen from Team Liquid does worry me. I feel like they. Yeah, they actually have higher variance than 100 Thieves, which is really weird to. [01:19:30] Speaker D: Say umpty talk about. Than all of 100 Thieves. Yeah. [01:19:36] Speaker C: Yeah. But also to a certain extent, like I'm looking not just at umpty. Like even APA has been kind of hit or miss and Impact has been kind of hit or miss. Like the only solid thing has been their bot lane. And it's a little bit concerning for me for Team Liquid, which is why like I. I kind of have like one and then like three and then everybody else. Like, it just feels like that's why I said I will say BlackFest unequivocally number one right now. Now and then. Yeah. Like Liquid C9 Lion, 100 Thieves gets kind of iffy. Below that. [01:20:03] Speaker D: It's like a soup. [01:20:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. That's the fun of the position. [01:20:07] Speaker B: Circle of suck. [01:20:08] Speaker A: We have to. We have to figure out where people are and then they're actually gonna have to play in different groups and then we'll come back to face each other in playoffs, which is very interesting format, but that's 100 Thieves in a nutshell. We have three more teams to talk about. We'll go through these a little faster because we are already running a little late on. On the pod, but Shopify Rebellion, I'll talk about them. This is a team that can keep it together for kind of like hundred thieves, but they just look a little worse on the losses. They keep it together for about 20 minutes, maybe even a little longer, but eventually they will make a mistake. This is a team I don't think they're capable of playing a clean game of League of Legends. Even in their win week one versus Dignitas, they had like a couple oopsies and then had to bring it back. And that was like the longest game of the split so far. Longest game of the year for LTA north. And then in both of their games this past weekend, whether it was lion or whether it was FlyQuest, they're in the game until they're not. You know, like they can hold the line to an extent, but Fudge is just the least impactful top laner in the league right now. And Palafox, if Abadaga wasn't here, he would be the worst mid laner in. In the league as well. [01:21:16] Speaker C: I don't know. I thought Fudge was the MVP against Lion. For Lion. [01:21:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:23] Speaker C: Yeah. Really, really hard. [01:21:25] Speaker A: Usually. Yeah, Like Yeah, so I. My. My stocks of Shop of Rebellion are lower than they were before, but they're not, like, in the dumps still, because they can still, like, play the game. They just will make stupid mistakes, and their solo lanes are pretty heavy. Yeah, well, contracts is trying his goddamn best, and I actually think SEOs is doing all right, too. [01:21:49] Speaker C: Like, free. Free my bevoy and sales. Like, those two need help. [01:21:52] Speaker D: I SR drafting so weird, too. Like, you know, your solo arguably, are your. [01:21:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:57] Speaker D: Your parts. And then it's like, we're giving Lion Rumble yone. Like, what the. Like, dude, you just gave them, like, Thanos champions. And then you're just being like, okay, we'll pick Ambessa Sedge, which is, like, fine. Like, it's a good top jungle duo, but it's not better than Rumble Yo Moon. And then. Yeah, I don't know. [01:22:16] Speaker A: Also, I never want to see Fudge play and Bessa again. [01:22:19] Speaker D: Never in my life. [01:22:20] Speaker A: God, he's bad at that. [01:22:21] Speaker D: Champion even had guaranteed setup right with Sedge alt into it. Like, the. The way it's supposed to work is you schedule, and then you and Bessa alt the sedge ulted person, so you cannot miss. And. I don't know. [01:22:32] Speaker A: I don't know. We had a tracker internally of how many Ambesa alts he landed so far in his three games he's played. I want to say it was like, three or four. I don't remember exactly what it was. [01:22:41] Speaker D: Despicable. [01:22:41] Speaker A: He has not landed a lot of investa olds. [01:22:44] Speaker D: It's weird. It's just. Despite all that as well, like, like you said, kangas, like, SR Keep it together until they. [01:22:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:51] Speaker D: Like, the meds wear off for them, and then they're just like, yes. I'm seeing voices again. [01:22:55] Speaker B: Nice. [01:22:58] Speaker D: Who's that? [01:22:58] Speaker A: River voices. Wow, that's. That's crazy. [01:23:01] Speaker D: Like, Fudge Fudge and Palafox. Go, guys. For sure. They're at Baron right now. They're, like, hallucinating. [01:23:07] Speaker A: And. [01:23:07] Speaker D: And it's just lying, waiting dude contracts in Palfax. Guys, we made it to. We made it to the Swiss stage. That was, like, a couple years ago. [01:23:16] Speaker C: Guys. [01:23:16] Speaker D: They're hallucinating. [01:23:18] Speaker A: That was two years ago. At this point, we were hoping that the Damonte Damonte the Pal Fox Whisperer would be able to fix him. Has not worked yet. [01:23:26] Speaker D: He still can. He still can. I think. I think he's. [01:23:28] Speaker A: He still has time. I actually pitched that as a. As a content idea that I was like, can we have. Have, like, a bit where it's like it's replays of Palafox doing silly stuff. And then it's just like we. We record Demonte whispering encouragement to him and we just like 50 opacity of that and just like have it glide across the screen. [01:23:51] Speaker C: No, that's actually such a good idea. [01:23:55] Speaker D: No, you got to do a Shutter island kind of thing where like, like the Leonardo DiCaprio is played by Palaflox and then the therapist is Demonte. It seems to be like that. That's how crazy you going to go. [01:24:07] Speaker A: Would you rather die a hero or live knowing you're a monster? Die a good man. [01:24:14] Speaker C: I forgot what the best part is. This could even like go to the end of the split. Like at the end of the split, if they still can't fix Pile Fox, you can just have like the Monte rocking in the corner just going like, I can fix him. I can fix him. [01:24:23] Speaker A: True. Well, we'll see if we can at the bottom of the barrel, though, here for LTA north to wrap things up, we have two teams tied at 0 and 4. And rather than talk about how their last games went because we kind of have an idea already based on talking about the teams that beat them, let's debate. Shibby. This is the moment because you earlier, I forgot exactly what it was. You had some kind of hot take about one of these teams. Was it Cat? Oh, it was Castle Ice. Castle versus Guys. [01:24:48] Speaker D: I think DSG actually looks like the. Like, I don't know. They're an 04 team, but do they not look like a better O4 team than Dignitas? [01:24:57] Speaker A: I gotta agree. That's the question I was gonna ask. Who. Who here? Does anybody think that Dignitas look like the better O4 team? No. All right, there we go. [01:25:07] Speaker C: I should check what my predictions was. Did I predict nice dsg? [01:25:12] Speaker A: Well, Mizel unfortunately predict both of them to pick up games, which was just wild. Wild to think about. [01:25:17] Speaker D: Well, but okay, the copy gotta always. [01:25:19] Speaker B: Have a wild card. [01:25:21] Speaker D: The caveat I'll give is in that Dig TL game. I know we didn't want to talk about the games, but unironically like Dig side laning kept them in that game longer than they should have. And that's a direct result of Serdi and. And I think Kenny, I always mess up his name. Kaney, right? Yeah, it. That was. That was Serdi and Kaney just like taking stuff off the map. Like TLs like, oh, we're gonna overload top. All right, we're gonna go take this, take this. We're just gonna eat like mid lane tier one or bottom lane tier two. Like, they did a really good job side leaning. [01:25:51] Speaker A: No, no, no. I'm gonna. I'm gonna change that. That was Team Liquid 18. The second quarter of the game, they. They lost their goddamn minds. Jan's getting picked off top side, Apa's getting picked off bot side. And then after those two picks happen, they're like, oh, we're better than them. Let's just not do that anymore. And then the game was over. So I don't think that was like dig side LA comp, right? [01:26:16] Speaker D: Like, if they, if. If TL are gonna run a two threat comp with mid and 80 carry, then you just split them to death. Like, that's. That's all you can do. [01:26:25] Speaker A: And yeah, I do think it was 30. Did kind of lose lane versus impact. [01:26:30] Speaker D: Yeah, sure. [01:26:31] Speaker A: Nobody loses lane versus impact. And Serdy was playing Jace into Scion and almost got solo killed. [01:26:38] Speaker B: To be fair, though. Come on. How OP as is is Scion. That's all I'm saying. That is OP as, but. And we all know it. [01:26:47] Speaker C: The leaning shouldn't have been that bad for the chase, right? Like, you're ranging the melee you've got. [01:26:51] Speaker A: Yeah, you should almost get solo killed under turret. Like, that was a little crazy. [01:26:57] Speaker D: And I don't know, man. Like. And also Dig went Silver Alley, by the way. [01:27:01] Speaker C: Yeah, that's my problem between Dig and disguise right now is that I feel like it's a question of jungles and bosses outlines. Like, who's throwing harder? Because. [01:27:14] Speaker D: No, you don't like Shaden. You don't like Shaden. [01:27:15] Speaker A: I think I don't. [01:27:16] Speaker C: I don't like Shaden. So somebody, I can't remember who it was made the joke. Was it, oh, about in his pants. And now it's stuck in my head because I don't think Shaden's looking very good, unfortunately. And Tomo and Isles are kind of like very hit or miss and they're missing a little bit more than they're hitting, but Tomo's still pumping all damage. Then I look over at the side of DSG and like, Xu's had some baffling moves sometimes. Like, he's generally better than Shaden, but then he's had some baffling moves and I'm like, okay, he could throw a game. And I'm looking at scary Jerry and Huhi. I'm just like, okay, that bot Lane is utterly dysfunctional right now. Like that. That is the worst Bot lane in OTA North. So because of that like it's such a hard call and I, I do feel like if it comes down to a late game, I'm kind of looking at my ad carries and if Scary Cherry can't pull himself together then, then like maybe even the siver always going to get away with it. [01:28:02] Speaker D: You know, if, if DSG actually transitions some of the early game leads they've gotten, they are a. Like they actually their, their score. They're maybe like 2 and 2 right now instead of 0 and 4. Like the thing with DSG is that they're actually trying to do stuff in the early game. Whereas like Dig is like all right, we have a plan. The plan went to sir, do you go side lane now when it's like. [01:28:26] Speaker C: But that's, that's why I'm looking at Shane and I'm not liking what I'm seeing from Shaden. Like when the whole plan goes to crap. Like that's when your jungler kind of needs to. To step up a little bit and start salvaging lanes a little bit. But like Shaden just doesn't he. He sometimes looks fine on his own because he's not helping out his lanes. Oh, and it was a pacemaker credit. Pacemaker who was the one who. [01:28:48] Speaker A: No, pacemaker not peacemaker. But I respect it. Banger show. Yeah. To put a pin on it. I agree. Dig disguised is the better of the Owen four teams. I just. Oh my God. Scary Jerry's gotta stop dying, dude. This guy just. His positioning is so bad for an 80 carry. And Abadaga also is just the. I, I still. Oh man, it's him and Palafox. It's close. I think still Abadoga is a little worse and certainly died for Castle maybe is like one of the better performing players. I still think he's like one of the worst top laners. I think Serdes like and maybe he's better than I might have fudge above Castle as well. But you never know how much of that is just the fact that the rest of disguise look pretty bad. But to your credit, they do try things. They are active. Xu sometimes does really stupid things, but he's making action happen. Who he has currently the highest jungle proximity in the league. So Huhi and Xu are just like cherry. Let's go Rome and like do things on the map and it hasn't gotten them a win yet. But at least it's like an identifiable style for the team. [01:30:00] Speaker C: Here's the other problem. He's got the Second highest deaths in the entire league right now. Just behind SEOs. [01:30:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:07] Speaker C: At this point, if I'm X you, I'm telling who he's. Go sit down. Down bot Lane. Like, I'm fine on my own. I don't know you the enemy. [01:30:14] Speaker D: I know Scary Joy looks bad, but I. Like I. We talked about this earlier. K. Because I think before, I just don't think he's like. Like this is one of the worst rookie situations I can think of for an AD carry. [01:30:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:26] Speaker D: Like, I'm sorry. Like, if Xu and Huey are perma leaving Scary Jerry in his by himself, he's not actually getting the proper introduction on how to play 2v2. [01:30:35] Speaker A: Okay. [01:30:36] Speaker D: Also, scary Jerry came into the meta where like we're literally lane swapping top and bottom like every four, three, four minutes. This is. This is not real. And I think. I think I'll. It's funny. I blame Masu for these expectations of NA 80 carries. Scary Jerry, like year two three will be a lot better, like guaranteed in my mind. [01:30:53] Speaker A: Okay. You say all these things about how he's not getting to learn the 2v2. He's not having Xu and who he in his lane. Can we talk about that top lane though? Which. Which game was it? That was the Dignitas game. Shit. Who was that against? [01:31:09] Speaker C: The one against Liquid where Sturdy got body by impact or are you talking about disguise? [01:31:13] Speaker A: It was disguised. That must have been the Hundred Thieves one because their other game was versus C9 and that's where he played the Misfortune. So it was versus 100 thieves and he has Xu in the top. They've already swapped Top lane. Xu's in the brush and he's got who he ready. They're in the 2v2. And then scary Jerry for some reason positions standing by the river and then just gets ganked by river and then dies before Xu can even like jump out of the brush to make his gank happen. And it's just like, why are you positioning there? Like, just stand up in the lane like fire support and you're fine. Like ah. [01:31:54] Speaker C: I remember back when he was on Maryville, there were questions about how much of it Scary Jerry and how much it's Psycho. I feel like we're getting a bit of a non start in this split. [01:32:01] Speaker D: That's crazy. I don't know if that might be too early. D. I mean N. That's wild. [01:32:05] Speaker B: That's wild. That's too cap, bro. That's way too cap. [01:32:09] Speaker A: I actually agree. I think Psycho was the reason His Nautilus and I think it was poppy. He would just like engage constantly and then Scar Jerry would get kills, get fed, and then win games. But if you don't have a support that can just like hard engage and then win you lanes. And also it doesn't matter if you can do it or not. Like in lta, anybody bot lanes are gonna play more respectfully and like, know when not to let you do that. [01:32:31] Speaker B: But I'll also say that Zyko took a remarkable downturn after the split with Scarejs. Him and Sajed look better now for sure, but they're like, he was literally the worst performing player on the entire team and it was not even close. And I like, I think that, yes, a lot of those, like, constraints and that you're talking about Chevy are definitely there. And I don't think it's been the best performance from Scary Jerry, but I do not think this guy doesn't deserve the shot. I. I think he would still beat out 10 out of 10, 80 carries to try to replace him on the team. [01:33:04] Speaker D: Yeah. Also, you guys are familiar. Kangas and Mozzelle Jump Scare. Jeremiah is like a. He's a, he's a mental player. Right. Like, I mean, it took him how long to get over. [01:33:14] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:33:14] Speaker D: Like the, the choking thing with. With Maryville. I mean, technically he never got over it with Marc. Lol. But like, I, you know, he was so different after he won that NACL split. But, like, it took him forever, I'm sure. Like, obviously I don't want to, like, extrapolate and peer into this guy's mind, but, like, I'm sure some of that is still weighing on him as like, his first opportunity in the LC in the L10, and he's not performing well. I know if you put him in a better situation, I, I think this kid can thrive. Like, he's not a bad player. [01:33:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And again, we've had this conversation before. Kangas, I know on the podcast. But like, he is the kind of player that plays to the level that he's surrounded by and like, the motivation that he's surrounded by and that's why he succeeded so well. Maryville, I would say, especially when you're playing with a guy like, who. He. Who, yes, is a great guy. I do question his motivations a lot of the time. And you can look back at the track record of the last four years and think the same thing. I, like, maybe this is too many caveats, but this is a guy that if he's surrounded by motivated Talent. He will be motivated himself. And I think it's difficult to be paired up with who he. [01:34:24] Speaker A: I think that's given a lot of thought. Like, I know you're saying you're trying to not, but I think that that's all hinging on believing that who he is not motivated. So I don't want to speak on that. I don't know where who his motivation is, but I hear your point. I do understand where you're coming come from with that. [01:34:40] Speaker D: So we are giving him a lot. [01:34:42] Speaker A: All right, well, that is the big 04 debate. There we go. Neither of these teams are picked a win, but one of them must have a win after this coming week. And let's talk about the future schedule here because we have a super week for LTA North. The L Tans got three days to party and it kicks off on Saturday with Fly Quest versus Lion. Another challenge for Lion. None of us have faith in them. We all have Fly Quest. But if lion look good, whether they win or lose, if they look at least competitive, I think that really raises stakes for that Lion 100 Thieves match coming up later. But the real banger for Saturday is C9 versus Team Liquid. We're split as a cast. I have C9, Shibby has C9. We both believe in them. Wait, Shibby, Weren't you the one that said there's a big difference between Team Liquid and Fly and the rest? Or was that. [01:35:32] Speaker C: No, that was me. [01:35:33] Speaker A: Somebody else. [01:35:33] Speaker C: That was me. [01:35:34] Speaker A: That was rmc. Oh, okay, okay. Sorry, I was mixing up the quotes. Rmc, is that the reason why you have team liquid taken C9? Or is there a bigger reason why you think they can win this? [01:35:41] Speaker C: I just think TL is generally better though. They have higher fluctuation. Shibby, though, did say that he thought It's FlyQuest and TL and then everybody else. So yeah, should be a C9 over. [01:35:53] Speaker D: So what I said was TL will, at the end of this, end of this split will get their stuff together. But during that lion series, and pretty much what I've kind of been maintaining for most of this early split, TL looks the most beatable they ever have with this five man roster. And like, if Umpty's having the games he's having against Blabber, like, Blabber is just gonna eat his breakfast for like, it's. It's done right? So I think that's why I think C9 can win. Like, TL looked the most beatable right now. [01:36:23] Speaker A: Okay. All right. I. I think in similar Ways Team Liquid look beatable, But I also just think that C9 are better than I want to admit. I don't know what it is about this team that I just, like, don't think that they should be good. But every time I watch them, I'm like, nope, they're pretty good. I actually think that, like, Loki is doing a really good job of just kind of holding his own and is a mid laner that can play with Blabber, which is something C9 has really struggled to find. But Blabber looks better with Loki than he has with many of their past mid laners, so we'll see if this one sticks. [01:36:57] Speaker D: I. I know. I know why, Kangas. I know why you don't want to give C9 their props. It's because the C9 fan base and subreddit aren't jerking their team off this time around. Like every other split, they're doing it this split. They're not. [01:37:09] Speaker A: Oh, really? Well, that's not the reason, but. [01:37:12] Speaker D: No, it is. It is. It is. 100. 100. [01:37:14] Speaker A: Okay. All right, Gotcha. The rest of the series knows you. [01:37:19] Speaker B: Better than you know yourself. [01:37:21] Speaker A: You know what? I guess so. I didn't even know. I'm in your walls. [01:37:24] Speaker D: I'm in your walls right now. [01:37:25] Speaker A: There digitize versus 100 thieves. Is the next game happening on Saturday? We all have 100 thieves across the board. We don't think Dignitas picks up their win here. Shopify Rebellion versus Disguise. Some of us think maybe Disguise could pick up their win here. Yes, I think Shopify Rebellion, rmc. Think Shopify Rebellion. What the hell? Shibby and Mizelle both have DSG taking on Shopify, Rebellion. Mezel, defend yourself. Why do you think DSG picks this one up? [01:37:53] Speaker B: I just. I want this team to win. [01:37:58] Speaker C: That's right. [01:37:59] Speaker B: I. I'm just gonna keep believing until it happens. [01:38:02] Speaker A: All right, Chibi, do you have any bigger insights into that one, or do you just the fandom. [01:38:07] Speaker D: I mean, Castle and Castle Fudge is just gonna be the most hilarious top lane matchup. [01:38:12] Speaker A: Oh, God. I just realized that's the matchup. [01:38:14] Speaker D: It's Castle Fudge. There's. And you know what's even funnier? They're both gonna pick carries, and it's gonna look horrible. It's gonna look absolutely the funniest thing in the world. And the rest of dsg, like, scary. Jerry's gonna get caught out, and then Palafox is like, no, I can do you one better. Contracts is trying to hold the team together, and then it's like who. He and Xu are like, guys, please. We can win. [01:38:43] Speaker A: You know that meme of like the. The lady driving her car like looking out her window and then the guy driving like by looking out his window and they both look confused. That's Palafox and Scary Jerry on their way to die. Like in a dumb position. [01:38:55] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:38:58] Speaker C: Somebody needs to make that meme. [01:39:00] Speaker A: That's pretty good, but should be. [01:39:04] Speaker C: I mean, Gabe, you're talking about Scary Jerry. Like who? He's Questionable motivations. Abadogi's boomer hats. Like, come on. What about pain B boy and loud Sale brother. Like, you left CB Law English and you just forget about players. [01:39:15] Speaker D: They're good. They're good. Like, they're. They're all right. Like, I mean, it's just like this is not gonna be. This is gonna be a match that's gonna be entertaining and. And I'm here for it. That's all I'm gonna say. This is an entertaining match one way or the other. [01:39:28] Speaker A: That's all you need to say. I. I'm very excited for this one, but again, I think the bigger banger happens later. Let's talk about Sunday. Sunday, Sunday. Sunday of super week starts off with Lion Hundred Thieves. This. This one is exciting because now we'll finally like, truly know Hundred Thieves are looking like the weakest of the top four as of this moment. Can lion actually punch up and. And solidify themselves as a top four team or will 100 Thieves still hold the line? I think it's 100 Thieves and Zellings. 100 Thieves. RMC and Shibby both disagree with Lion. Let's go. I. You know, if I could predict both these teams, I would, but unfortunately I have to choose one and I'm gonna at least bag 100 thieves one more time here and say that they can maintain a top four position. I think that Quid is just too good. But Saint is gonna be a hell of a challenge for him. I honestly think there's an argument that these are the two best mid laners in the league right now. So that's gonna make this matchup very exciting. But FBI is just so good, dude. And even though Henna is stepping up to the plate, I think FBI is slightly better right now. Rmc. Why do you think it's Lion? [01:40:35] Speaker C: Well, to quote a really wise man, I just really want them to win. Also, I do think it's competitive. Like you said, Saint versus Quid is probably like my highlight matchup. That midday matchup's Gonna be epic. Having heard what Inspired said about Henna as well, I kind of want to see him up against FBI because I think FBI has been quietly having an incredible split and I think he's a big reason why 100 Thieves is winning games. And then I think Top Lane's gonna be hilarious. The two Canadians are gonna go and Licorice Sniper. I do think Sniper is better. I think Sniper's getting an unfair rep. I think he gets focused down a lot more than a lot of the Top Laners. But I mean if he lives up to the. If he lives down to the rep and Licorice is right there. I'm just saying Top Lane could be a fiesta. [01:41:19] Speaker A: It could be absolute shit. Show up there. A lot of fun Top Lane matchups here. Next up we have fly quest versus is C9 another banger dude? All pretty much all of this day are bangers. C9 Fly Quest is super exciting because this is like Fly Quest scene. Can they still be the best team? This is their strongest opponent in this weekend. And C9. It doesn't seem like it's the unanimous opinion here, but from what I'm hearing from other folks around the industry as well as Fly Quest players themselves, C9 or the hardest team to beat in scrims and are their best competition stylistically. So expectations are high that this could be the team to take down FlyQuest. I have FlyQuest winning. RMC and Chibi agree with FlyQuest, but actually mazel, you do have C9 taking this one. So Mazel. Do you agree with that? That just stylistically C9 take this or what are your reasons for that? [01:42:11] Speaker B: I just think C9 can have a really good performance on the day and this is what I was talking about earlier and I think it's going to be a long weekend. I think C9 take advantage of it. [01:42:20] Speaker A: All right. The endurance test. Shibby. Why do you still have faith in Fly Quest going undefeated? [01:42:27] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't know. I just. Like I said, I think Inspired and and Bipo are the. The best top jungle duo in the league. And the fact that like river and 100 Thieves are dedicating four bands to him. Like I'm not sure is Fly Quest on blue or red side this game? If they're on. If it flies on red side, then I think think I think it's very heavily fly favored. [01:42:48] Speaker A: If C9 on a red C9 get side selection. I'm pretty sure. Okay, that's. That's how it works. [01:42:54] Speaker D: So C9 might take red just to not give it to Fly Quest. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's a little bit more even though like oddly enough, but I still think Fly Quest has really good like blue side flexes. And like I said, I just. Like I said Jungle Top is the best for Flight Quest and I think C9 are. Are very exploitable down there. I will say this. I think we're gonna get a Siva Alley game from C9 because Sivir is like I think Sven's third or fourth most played champion ever or something like that. And Vulcan's already been playing Alley. The fact that they haven't locked it in yet is interesting. This is the game. I think they'll try to lock it in. [01:43:31] Speaker A: Could be. We'll see. We'll see. I hope not, but we'll see. Moving along though. I want to move us along here just because there's. There's a lot more predictions to cover with the super weak. Here we have team Liquid vs Shopify Rebellion. Arg. The only dud of the the day, but still I think kind of exciting. Oh my God. Shibby. Why do we have to talk about every matchup because of your predictions. Team Liquid for everybody but Shopify Rebellion for Shibby. I'm just gonna summarize it for Chevy. Oh, I hate apa. I don't know. Do you hate apa? I actually don't know. [01:44:03] Speaker C: It's impact, isn't it? [01:44:04] Speaker D: So Palafox APA for whatever reason, Palafox like plays up like that mid lane matchup up. It's like a odd storyline. But the fact that they've matched up so many times and it feels like it's. I mean it's probably APA favorite now, but I feel like Palafox randomly steps up to the plate when he has to play this guy. So I, I think, I think we're gonna have the rare like Palafaker game from him. And like I said, TL looks the most beatable and Contracts has been looking really good and Umpty has been looking really bad. So I think it's a recipe for disaster. I think this is a trap game for TL by far. [01:44:35] Speaker A: No, you convinced our. [01:44:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I just needed a reason for people and serious. That's all I needed, man. If you believe Pal Faker shows up and he's not. [01:44:44] Speaker D: I believe APA is the one guy like where he's like, I need to lock in and shut this fraud. [01:44:50] Speaker A: That's. That's Power Fox every time. [01:44:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:44:53] Speaker A: Then I believe I'm still. I'm holding the lion team like it. But we'll see what happens. The next one. The banger to end all bangers. These teams could still have zero wins between them going into this game. Game. Depending on how the the games go on Saturday it's DSG versus Dignitas. Oh my God. We don't all agree dsg despite the. [01:45:11] Speaker C: We could still have two losers after this game. [01:45:14] Speaker D: Yeah, this is misfits dig. Round two, bro. If anybody knows that reference. OG reference. But everybody knows that reference. [01:45:21] Speaker A: You know. Yeah, pretty much. But you know, we already talked all quite in length about both these teams so I'm just gonna leave it at if DSG Shibby has dsg Mazelle and RMC have dignity us moving on the last day of games. I won't lie to you. This day not a lot of exciting matchups. [01:45:39] Speaker D: Mizelle. Mizell's on crack, bro. That's an insane. [01:45:43] Speaker A: That is insane. Fly Quest. Dig. We all of course agree Fly Quest. And I'm not even going to mention the fact that mist. Because that's insane. [01:45:52] Speaker D: That guy's been playing too much schedule one. He's on the sauce right now. Right now. [01:46:01] Speaker A: Do you have them going 30 this weekend? No. You have 100 these beating them. That's hilarious. That is objectively hilarious. Oh, I love that. All right. Yeah, I'm not going to let you defend it. Wait, what the. The next game too. Lion vs C9. We all have C9 except for Misella's Lion Fentanyl. That one I will let you defend. Why do you think Lion? [01:46:23] Speaker B: I don't know man. They. They got. They got some fun sauce. Yeah. Talking. Talking about this. I mean I think we look at their competition, it's been a little bit rough, but I just think they slink away with at least a win from the weekend. [01:46:35] Speaker A: I would love for them to because whether they beat 100 thieves or not beaten C9 would first off prove the hundred thieves. Actually it doesn't prove anything for 100 thieves because they also beat C9. But it just shows that lion can punch up and it makes the lead more exciting. Exciting. Which I think is cool. Team Logan versus disguise. We all have team Liquid. Thank God. 100 Thieves versus Shopify again. Having fun with this one, man. Yeah, you have Shopify. Any big reason for it? [01:46:59] Speaker B: Dope. Fun upsets. [01:47:02] Speaker A: Hell yeah. I love a day of upsets. Expected though that we'll have a lot of one sided matchups. The Lion C9 is probably the most exciting one. But still I would favor C9 in that. That's it for LTA North. And that's it for this episode. That was a long one. We haven't had a long episode like that in quite a while. But you know what? I was happy to cover all of the games. It was super LTA north and it was the last week where LEC had seven games or seven matches as opposed to six. So Shibby, thank you for coming on, man. It was awesome having you. For anybody who wants to go give you a follow, see what you're up to, follow along with your work, where can they find you? [01:47:39] Speaker D: Yeah, at Chibby Cash Casts. I've. I think I've been that for a while. Yeah, I'm obviously doing color casting. I'm co streaming Sea lol. If anybody's interested in that. We've got a lot of cool stuff happening. It's a new format. There's an upper bracket and a lower bracket. Top 16 teams play against each other in the bottom 16 and it kind of spills out there. Other than that, I don't know if we can plug other games like Mazel. I'm doing Marvel Rivals. But you know, Mazel is obviously killing it right now in that, in that scene. And I make a bunch of content and stuff around there. [01:48:10] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:48:10] Speaker D: It's been super fun. [01:48:13] Speaker B: Who's the fourth white blonde woman of the apocalypse? Oh, who is it going to be? [01:48:19] Speaker D: Okay, I. This is, this is. We're going to end off on a crazy note. I'm going to say this right now. Rivals, like they're. They've been the Gooners, right? They gave the ass people something. They gave the boobs people something. They gave the thigh people something. The next female blonde character is going to be a. [01:48:34] Speaker C: Got to be a personality, right? Oh, come on. [01:48:38] Speaker D: It's for the foot. It's for the foot fetishes. She's going to have pristine toes and feet. And you already know. You already know it's going to happen. That's how we're ending this episode. [01:48:48] Speaker C: First of all, what happened to good old personality? And second of all, Shibby, who's got that great feed of marbles? [01:48:54] Speaker A: I don't. You know, we're not talking about that. No, it's fine. We'll adjust it if it happens in the future. For now, we're just going to keep wrapping things up. Give us five star review wherever you. [01:49:02] Speaker C: One for each toe, baby. [01:49:04] Speaker A: For each reach. [01:49:05] Speaker D: That's crazy. [01:49:08] Speaker A: Thank you. Everybody else. Everybody listening. Just know we love you. We'll see you next time. [01:49:15] Speaker B: Hit it, G. Bye. [01:49:16] Speaker D: Bye. [01:49:17] Speaker A: Oh, yes, Daddy.