League Rundown - Episode 614: League of sweeps

[00:00:12] Speaker A: Gets hit Kimmy kids a little too far here. He's gonna have to try and get himself out. Let me go. Tillery and the rest of the shots of fire. Zion is just killing the next Zion can eat it single handedly win the game by game by game by game by [00:00:26] Speaker B: should be. Oh my God. Stupid. [00:00:29] Speaker A: Passes through and manages to the table with Messiah tanking it up. I do not believe he just believe. [00:00:42] Speaker B: I cannot understand this game. [00:00:46] Speaker A: Unicorns of love. It wasn't a mutant. [00:00:50] Speaker B: They're Nexus. Foreign. [00:01:06] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to episode 614 of the League Rundown. This is your 2026 MSI play ins review episode and it's lovingly entitled League of Sweeps. I'm your host Kangas and I'm joined by one esteemed co host. We're gonna have a more chill broadcast this time around. I got Badger. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Wow. We talk about stuff being an email. That play should have that play and could have been an email at this point. Oh my gosh. Dude. [00:01:33] Speaker A: Literally from LCS finals being two 3 0s to MSI plans mean all three O's. It's like North American fans watching League of Legends are struggling. EU had a slightly better playoffs but not by much. [00:01:46] Speaker B: I. It just feels weird seeing like okay, we knew there were obvious tears in this play in but I just didn't think it was going to be 303-03-03-3030 like across the board. Just come on, come on, do something. [00:02:01] Speaker A: Like it's. It's like for me it's a little more surprising actually. You know, let me post this as a question because I have my own opinion but I want to get your thought before we get into some of the news around the horn. What which is more surprising to you? The fact that T1 didn't drop a single game or the fact that every other series was a three? [00:02:21] Speaker B: Oh, I think it's the. The more surprising part is that every other series was a 3 0. I. I had. I mean I kind of downplayed it but T1 definitely was. I mean I. There's no hiding it. T1 was the strongest team and we know based on results at this point now too, that was in that play in stage at this point. So we're putting ourselves into a situation where the best team is playing the second best team from or the the second best team from arguably the best region in the world is playing the second best team from the third best region, the fourth best region and the debatably fifth best region at the world. So you're putting yourself into a situation where you're already at a disadvantage talking about these teams coming in. I mean, I knew tl, Casey and DCG were at a disadvantage just based on the format, but I didn't realize that they were just going to be walked out of the building by T1 and any chance that they got. And I mean, we didn't even see DCG vs T1. They never reached that point. [00:03:32] Speaker A: I imagine that that would have gone about the same as it would have [00:03:34] Speaker B: gone just about the same as any of the other games that we saw at that point. So. [00:03:39] Speaker A: And I gotta say I, I agree with your statement, like, which one you think is more impressive? Because in a way it was like, it's not that surprising T1 would be able to sweep everybody. I don't want to take that away from how impressive it is though. Is very impressive that T1 did not drop a single game on their three best of fives to get out of play ins. But yeah, it is crazy that TL clean sweeps the other two teams. And Casey also, of course, team sweeped or clean sweeps their, their first round against dcg. Yeah, I, I am shocked that TL was that much better than kc. And I think that's a lot of what we're going to be talking about today when it comes to reacting to plans. Because like T1, that was easy. [00:04:26] Speaker B: They made it, they made it look really simple. There is. [00:04:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:29] Speaker B: So there were times that TL had advantages. There was time KC had advantages. They. It wasn't like they were perfect gaming him every single time, but at the same time, you could definitely tell there is a little bit of a gap between, between those, between T1 and the other three teams that were in there at that point. [00:04:48] Speaker A: Yeah. One of the best takes I saw online. I don't remember who tweeted this out, so sorry, I can't give credit, but it was. Somebody just said like, if it feels like you have to beat T1 five times in one game in order to actually win. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:01] Speaker A: Like most teams, you beat them at one point and then the game's kind of over and you just kind of like, maybe it gets drawn out a little bit, but it's over. You have to beat T1 multiple times in the same game in order to actually end the game. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. And you, you get to a point where they, they just flip the switch. Like you definitely noticed it watching their games where it's like, okay, you know, we keep it close. Lane phase can be a little bit rough at times. Because mechanically I don't think they're the best laners in the world. But team play wise, once you get to that point where it's okay, we don't have to rely so much on the 1v1. We play the 4v4s, we play the 4v3s, we play the 5v. [00:05:42] Speaker A: Play the map. [00:05:43] Speaker B: You play the map. [00:05:44] Speaker A: Play across the map when you have. I don't want to get too into the weeds of it right now just because we do have some other news to get around and I don't want to be like jarring for everybody, but it is so easy to just dive in like wow, this was crazy what happened. But we'll save that for a little bit later. For now I want to talk about the news around the horn though because there is a lot actually happening in this offseason during MSI. The teams that are not at MSI are making some changes already. Badger C9 has announced a lot of stuff. There was speculation last week. Now it's coming into confirmations. The team itself has been making statements on some things. So what's going on at C9? [00:06:19] Speaker B: So C9 right now has a seven man roster. [00:06:24] Speaker A: They. [00:06:25] Speaker B: There was heavy speculation going around last week about the time when that we recorded that changes were going to be made and they're boot camping in Korea right now and they even played in an off season tournament with some of the Korean teams and FlyQuest and Los. So. But the big story is tactical and Loki have joined the C9 organization and a seven man roster with an Arrow departing the team due to, I believe he said health concerns. Was that the. Was that the. [00:07:01] Speaker A: I don't. I didn't actually see the reason he gave. [00:07:04] Speaker B: I thought I saw something about he was leaving like health reasons why he was leaving the team which if that's the case, get well soon. One of the. I mean an Arrow is one of the best coaches that one of the best American coaches out there. So. But the big story is I will dominate has been promoted to the head coach and Yamato has joined as an assistant coach for C9. [00:07:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:30] Speaker B: Holy cow. So we saw C9 play [00:07:37] Speaker A: the DN [00:07:38] Speaker B: Supers KRX and who is the other team? Hanjin Brian. In this off season tournament it was organized between Caspa and the teams that are boot camping there. The two that got the formal invitations from the LCS and cb lol. And then Fly Quest because they were also over in Korea boot camping at that point. So they played this off season tournament and C9 goes one and two. And the only game they win is with APA and Mid Lane. Yep. [00:08:10] Speaker A: And it was against DK. It was against the best of the three teams. They lost to the Poopers. [00:08:19] Speaker B: Yeah. No, yeah, it was dk. It wasn't. Gosh. Who was it? It was krx. Dk. And was it Hanji? [00:08:28] Speaker A: I believe it was DK in there actually. Yeah. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Because Showbaker got a Pentakill unlock. Yeah, that's right. He. He. Because lock was enabled for the tournament. Oh gosh, now I'm second guessing myself. [00:08:40] Speaker A: I thought. I thought it was. It was like the Soup Invitational, right? That's right. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Yeah. The Soup inv. [00:08:46] Speaker A: What it was called. Let me look, let me look this up. 2026 Cross Regional LOL Invitational. DN Supers. D Kia and Keywom. DRX. Yep. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:55] Speaker A: And then Cloud 9. Fly Quest. [00:08:58] Speaker B: That's right. Because Q is. It's KRX and DRX now, so. [00:09:03] Speaker A: Yeah, but. But still it was like the DN Supers and notoriously the what? 1 in 17 LCK team. [00:09:11] Speaker B: Yeah, they had an 8% win rate in spring. [00:09:14] Speaker A: Yeah, they. They beat C9 with Loki playing in the mid lane. Now this was a somewhat for fun event. I don't think anybody was taking it like 100% seriously, but sadly it. It did finally give us an answer of who would win. The third place LCS team or the last place LCK team. Unfortunately, it was the LCK team. [00:09:35] Speaker B: I never doubted them. [00:09:36] Speaker A: Yeah, C9 did beat DK and FlyQuest went 2 and 1. They beat the Supers. And who else did they be? Let me, let me take a look here real quick. FlyQuest, B, DK and the Supers. And then FlyQuest. Oh no, no. They lost the DK. They beat KRX and the Super. So they were the inverse of C9. [00:09:58] Speaker B: Showmaker got the pent to kill unlock versus fly quest. Okay, okay, yes, I'm pretty sure. [00:10:05] Speaker A: But so, so there we go. That's how you flip the narrative for any NA fans. I was feeling a little doomer. I didn't watch the games. I was feeling just doomer. Looking at the results of like, oh my God, C9 lost to the worst LCK team. But then I was like, wait, but the fourth best LCS team can beat them? So there we go. Shows that our region goes deep. [00:10:26] Speaker B: Such a deep region. [00:10:28] Speaker A: Such a deep region. But anyway, yeah, that. That was kind of the first look that we saw at this new roster for C9. Right. Because that's like the. Where we started here. Talking about that tournament was. Or that little invitational was seven man roster is a bold move. And the only win that they got was with apa. Did you get a catch any of the games? The Loki like did he. Look, I did not. Right. [00:10:47] Speaker B: I didn't get a chance to catch any of them. It was a weird way to catch it because there was no formal like stream. Yeah, it was. Well, [00:10:58] Speaker A: there were like there was a stream online but it was like a Korean website. [00:11:02] Speaker B: It was like dot something Soup, which is the Korean. The. The website that replaced Twitch in Korea. [00:11:10] Speaker A: Sure, sure. And I believe, I imagine that sometimes to the DN supers because it's spelled the same way. S O O P in all caps. [00:11:17] Speaker B: That's exactly who is the title sponsor of the team is this website. [00:11:22] Speaker A: That makes sense. Cool. Well, either way it wasn't a great first show in for C9, but they are boot camping with the new roster. They're still in Korea. They did this little tournament. They're still going to be there through MSI playing screaming as many teams as they can, trying to get everybody caught up. Do you think this is going to work for C9? They were top two in the lock in tournament. Did not get to first stand top three in spring, did not get to MSI. And the questions were, is it too late to make roster changes and if so, what are they doing? So the two questions is like do you think it's going to work? And number two is did they change the players that you expected to like, are they addressing the root cause? [00:11:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean I think the, I think the big thing is MID and AD is something that you need to take a look at. The most surprising thing in all of it is the fact that Loki, what six months ago at this point was the one that said, hey, I want to go back to Korea just to be around family. Didn't mesh well in the situation in LA from basically what C9 confirmed at that point. So I find it very interesting that he's decided that he is going to come back to America and play in the LCS for summer. So I'm excited to see it. I'm curious based on prior comments that. I mean we were talking about it before we started formally going, but Dominate has had some comments about Tactical in the past and I imagine seeing as both of them are adults then working together in a situation like this in a competitive environment, that they're able to shake off those prior comments and apologize for them and have a formal working relationship. But we'll, we'll have to track that as we go. Yeah, I will. [00:13:15] Speaker A: Dominate was not very kind to a lot of the pro players when he would co stream lcs. He gave very blunt opinions and I don't remember exactly what he said about Tactical, but I do know that he gave Tactical a lot of heat during the Immortals games. Now keep in mind it was Tactical on Immortals. Tactical. It's been a while since we've seen him on like a top team. Remember this was like the rookie of the year back when he replaced Doublelift on Team Liquid. Had a really pop off debut playing with Core JJ and after that was never really able to capture the same type of magic. And so a lot of people were like, oh, it was core. It was core. JJ was kind of holding up. Tactical was the narrative back in the 2021, 2022 era. I don't remember exactly when he left pro play full time. It was. He might have been playing in 2024. I think he actually was on Immortals in 2024. [00:14:04] Speaker B: He was. And then he went down to Challengers with yeah, Luminosity and he's been kind [00:14:10] Speaker A: of running it down there. It's like Tactical and Scary Jerry. And we know what happened to Scary Jerry when he got called up to tier one. Was not ready to make that type of leap and play against that different level of competition. So some people are confused. Some people love it, some people hate it. I'm kind of indifferent right now. I mostly am sad about the mid because I feel like apa yes, he had a bad playoff performance, but throughout the season I thought that he was getting unnecessary heat and not being recognized for how much he was doing. Meanwhile, Blabber has gotten scotch or gotten off scotch free. No second jungler here for C9 when Blabber has also been part of the inting issue that C9 has when it comes to clutch series. [00:14:52] Speaker B: It's just weird. He's like, who do you bring in to replace him at this point? Yeah, there's. [00:14:59] Speaker A: It's tough. [00:15:00] Speaker B: That's the thing you have to examine in all of it is who's going to be C9's jungler if we reach this point. [00:15:07] Speaker A: It's hilarious because if you watch Mind the Gap, which is JAT and Vetti's podcast, shout out them. I. I listen to them pretty much every week. I think that they're very fun together and they're really the only other podcast outside of us, funnily enough, that talks both NA and EU in one podcast. Yes, but the Jack kind of called it. He was like, yeah, if you're C9, like what are you going to do? You can probably look at like Kizno, who was playing for Kryra on DSG at the beginning of Lock In. If you need a jungler, you can look like Toasty who's over at G2 Nord. And again, I've said this on the podcast. I've said this to as many people as I can in the scene because like when I got Donor with him over in Berlin, I asked him what would it take to get you to come back? And he's like, show me an offer. Like, nobody's offering me anything. So. But, but if somebody wants me to play, I'll play. You know, like he's, he's willing to come back to NA and then it would be like 80 care was tactical. That was the name that Jet dropped. Funnily enough this week on the episode Jack revealed. He was like, yeah, so that, that was me just speculating. I didn't have any inside information. But after that episode went out tactical, like reach out. It was like, dude, I wanted to tell people but I couldn't. Like how'd you know and see that? Maybe thinking that it leaked, but it was literally just conjecture and just guessing who could possibly come in. [00:16:21] Speaker B: So that was that. [00:16:22] Speaker A: Very funny. But yeah, we'll, we'll wait and see how it works for C9 there. It's not the only roster news though. In North America. There's also a bit of a bummer one. Did you catch up on the lion announcement from the six man? [00:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah, surprising announcement of all that Castle is left lying. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Yeah, but it answers a big question because six man rosters have happened. They've popped up here and there over the the history of league but typically they're committed to for longer than two weeks. That was a very short lived one. Castle was nowhere to be seen in Arizona for finals weekend and it was a question on my mind. I never got the answer to the question that weekend just because not a lot of people had the information. But now it seems like it's out that Lion. I don't know who to point the finger at. I'm just going to choose to not point it at anybody. Everyone's made statements. Lyon has made a. That it was Castle's decision to leave. Castle put out his own tweet essentially saying, yeah, like the environment wasn't working for me and stuff like that. So it's like who do you blame in this situation? I don't know. I'm not going to place blame Myself, I'll let you kind of come to that on your own accord. But it just sucks. It sucks that Castle is now not going to have a team and will presumably be taking the summer split off. I'm happy for Serdy that he gets to play for DSG now. But like, man, Castle, he was a good prospect and I think he never again. He was on Immortals and then dsg. We never got a chance to see Castle on like a star studded roster. You have thoughts. How do you feel about Castle? Do you want to pour one out for him? [00:18:02] Speaker B: I mean, I feel like he wasn't given a fair shake, but at the same time he's put himself into a situation where he was, you know, the other top laner at that point. So you kind of had to play the cards for your dealt. [00:18:16] Speaker A: But then you listen to the public interviews after their debut game where he played rise top lane and got on and then inspired has an interview is like, oh yeah. So that's actually something we've been practicing with Dokla and we just liked it in that draft so we just asked Castle to play it even though he had zero. [00:18:32] Speaker B: I remember that and I was just like, why are, why are you putting yourself into a situation where you're doing that where it's like, okay, what? [00:18:42] Speaker A: Yeah. But then also then like the, the coach interviews, I don't, I think it was re. Or ran over. I don't know if it was ran over or Rigby, one of them said it, that they were just like basically surprised that he was brought onto the roster. Like it wasn't a call that the coaches made, it was a call that the ownership made. So like that also sucks. The whole situation's just kind of ass backwards and I, I feel for Castle again. I'm happy players like Serdi and Dokla have their spots. I wish that we had 10 teams back in the league because I think a player like castle would 100 have a team right now for sure. As it stands, it's so competitive out there, it's going to be tough. So if you're a Castle fan, maybe shoot. I don't know if his DMs are open on Twitter or anything, but give him some love. Make a post. Said, thank you Castle. Give, give him a nice message. I'm sure it means a lot. I've had players tell me in the past that it actually does mean a lot when fans go out of their way to like be nice and say encouraging words. [00:19:40] Speaker B: Oh yeah. Like, yeah. I imagine in an environment where there's so much negativity, especially I mean public facing negativity, let alone private negativity that these players experience on a day to day basis. Especially with, you know, the rise of gambling and all of the other unfortunate circumstances that can plague this industry. It's always nice to have encouraging messages come through from supporters. So yeah, that's great to do that if you can. [00:20:21] Speaker A: Yes, please do. That's it for North America though. That's the two that we the big one was C9 and then Lion. Getting some more context as to what's going on with Castle. Let's move over to EU because there's also a few roster shakeups here. Number one, Vitality. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Oh my God. [00:20:35] Speaker A: Set to pick up a new mid laner. The big news last week was Humanoid moving to inactive or rather moving to the bench. He's still on the team so could still see play theoretically, but it looks like the mid laner replacement has been selected and it is Fiesta. A Korean 23 year old Korean player played for Nongshim red force from 2022 as a sub and then got I believe like a more permanent position. Off and on he was subbing in and then starting through 2024 where then moved to Emea for a short period on Supermassive. Then BNK Fear X Youth for last year and now it's looking like the old pick up a LCK Challenger Mid laner for either N A or EU is still the pipeline. So do you know anything about Fiesta? [00:21:27] Speaker B: Yeah, Bickle and I, when we heard the name Fiesta is like oh that's. That's the name they're go okay. Like neither of us are too jazzed by the mood or by the move is sure the way that I'll describe it. I mean I'm. I'm indifferent because is he an upgrade over Humanoid? Maybe. I don't know. Is he the best Korean mid laner that they could have picked up this offseason? Probably not. I mean Ferrix Youth is one of the better teams in the Academy system for Korea. They've. I mean they've been very successful in the past, but this season was a little bit rough. They switched from Daystar to Fiesta and didn't go well for him. I mean. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Oh, we all remember Daystar. [00:22:30] Speaker B: Yeah. On the bench. Honestly, honestly, if they would have said hey, we got Daystar to come to Korea. Daystar vs Yahoo for that first Daystar Yahoo. Vitality KC match. Oh my gosh, I would have been so excited about it. [00:22:46] Speaker A: But unfortunately is your contacts there like Historical context for yeah those are so [00:22:51] Speaker B: so last offse remember how we were [00:22:54] Speaker A: talking okay go go quick here because we don't have too much. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Yeah yeah yeah. Remember this last season when the Korean mid layers were coming through and it was like Zinni and yahoo and days are those were like the big three like the new generation big three like of like the Korean mid so like you know how it's faker and showmaker and show V like the big four of like BDD and stuff like that like this is their the potential next generation of that is these guys and so but yeah I wish you the best Fiesta. I I will never wish ill on a player especially a Korean player going into a new environment but I don't know if it's an upgrade over humanoid so fair enough. [00:23:36] Speaker A: Well it's not the only BNK Ferrix youth that's potentially moving over to EU because Fnatic also set to pick up a new top laner here and that is Soborough a 22 year old Korean player played on pretty much every different org according to Leak PD like a freak of freaks. Academy bro Challengers Galacticos and Emea but most recently was Fearx youth [00:24:03] Speaker B: on IG too. [00:24:05] Speaker A: Yes. Sorry not most recently that was the most time the most recent time in Korea. You're right Invictus gaming was his most recent. For the last six months this year he has been playing on Ignition. I've heard from the LPL casters this is not that exciting of a pickup. He did not do great. Yeah so we'll see. We'll see if if this actually works or not. Yeah. Do you have any other insight into Subaru? [00:24:31] Speaker B: No, I do not actually. [00:24:33] Speaker A: Totally fine and well we'll learn. [00:24:35] Speaker B: We'll learn Academy wish him the best of course. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Exactly. One final thing from LEC is SK actually looks like they're going to be moving leader to inactive on the roster leader historically notoriously his champ pool sometimes works if the meta allows it but [00:24:55] Speaker B: not always viable cool leaders your guy. If not don't don't. Most notably don't call him to play Orianna. [00:25:06] Speaker A: Most notably yeah this year I got to cast his first ever Orianna game in pro play and the same week he played Ari for the I believe it was Ari actually I'm not 100 [00:25:19] Speaker B: I feel like 75 I thought was [00:25:22] Speaker A: it there was a second AP mid laner that's pretty common that he also played for the first time it might have just been Anivia because Anivia was [00:25:30] Speaker B: kind of like I thought. [00:25:31] Speaker A: But either way, Orianna was the big one. It's like how the hell do you not play Orianna a single game of pro when she has always been meta? Just insane. But it's looking like SK will be looking for a new mid laner as well. So we'll keep our eyes on who that could be. I've not seen news as of recording this episode of who that could be, but if you know already and we've missed it, let us know in the community Discord. Also, if we missed any other news stories you wish we had talked about, let us know in the community Discord. The only other one that happened this past week that we haven't talked about. Just because I feel like there's a lot to talk about there, but I don't know if you were watching it. Did you watch the LCS retirement home stream? The double I caught bits and pieces [00:26:08] Speaker B: of was I did not see those guys back. [00:26:13] Speaker A: I'm sad I wasn't able to catch. I was busy that day at a wedding. But yeah, so. So what was it like? Fun, entertaining. I. I heard. [00:26:20] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it was a good time. Travis was doing interviews. It was great to see some of those guys just back, you know, just having an opportunity to play. Like, I mean Froggit's like an air traffic controller now. Like he was going to Eric traffic controller school, which is like a wild thing to think about that this guy. [00:26:39] Speaker A: Those were the coolest parts I've seen. [00:26:41] Speaker B: Oh yeah, no, it was the Travis [00:26:43] Speaker A: interviews where he's like, where are they now? Interviews. And I think that was a really cool lens because you got to see like Acadian where. Where he's at now, like what he's up to. And then you see frog in what he's up to. And I imagine that a lot of these are going to be coming out on Travis's YouTube channel as well as from this stream. [00:26:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:26:58] Speaker A: So there we go. Go check that out. Shout out Doublelift for hosting that. I think it was really cool. We got to see like a bunch of old players and now I've seen some people online even be like, sneaky, please come back to pro play. Like sneaky. Still got it. [00:27:11] Speaker B: Yeah, he looks good. [00:27:13] Speaker A: Remember the last time NA beat a Korean team in a best of five was sneaky plain AD carry for C9 2018 worlds. [00:27:21] Speaker B: Yes. [00:27:22] Speaker A: Disgusting. Disgusting. Or was that 29? No, that's 2018. [00:27:28] Speaker B: Right when we beat Licorice. Yeah, the. The most fraudulent tournament of all. And I Will. [00:27:36] Speaker A: No, that was fine. That was 100 earned. And we should have beaten Fnatic in that semifinals. That was embarrassing. [00:27:41] Speaker B: That's the kt. The KT Worlds. The original KT Worlds. [00:27:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:45] Speaker B: It's so unfortunate. Alexa plays the downfall of Korea. Yeah. For. For one year. The one. The one year. [00:27:51] Speaker A: One blip. Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, that's going to do it for the news around the horn again. If we miss anything, let us know in the community. Discord. Also, shout out everybody in the community that's helped support the podcast, either through our Patreon or through the Merch shop. You can find links in the description to both of those. It really helps us keep the lights on and keep these episodes coming out. Also, speaking of, I'm. I should have done this way earlier in the episode. Apologies, because there's a very high chance that games have already happened before. You are listening to this. It'd be a miracle if we get this out in time. So we're gonna be. We're recording this Wednesday, right? Yeah. Today's Wednesday. Wednesday afternoon. And with MSI being overnight, you're probably gonna hear a lot of our thoughts before the. The first round of stage two happens. So it'll be mostly just reactions and then predictions going forward that shouldn't be spoiled by anything that has already happened by the time you're listening to this. So there we go. That out of the way. Let's talk MSI Badger. That was the. I'm just gonna say the dumbest play ins I think I've ever seen. What the hell was. [00:28:58] Speaker B: Truly was one of the dumbest play ins that I've ever seen in my entire time. I like the format. I love the fact that the entire tournament is best of fives. [00:29:08] Speaker A: Yes. [00:29:08] Speaker B: We got to do something about the fact that it's okay. Well, we got all these teams to come over here. Deep Cross Gaming. Congratulations. You have a short flight back home, but. Oh, my gosh. Some of those games just. I don't even know what to say. Like, it just T1 T1 look good. T1 look good. TL, you know, proved east better than. Or EU or NA better than EU. Wow. I almost said EU better than NA off the rip. [00:29:41] Speaker A: No, don't. [00:29:42] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no, no. We've. We've proven at this point, even though you predicted that. [00:29:45] Speaker A: Even though everybody. I predicted Casey beating tl. [00:29:48] Speaker B: You're right, I did. Because I thought that Casey was going to be the stronger team coming into the tournament. I thought they had the best chance to beat T1 out of anybody in the group stage. And it turns out that it doesn't matter. T1's going to three. Oh, you. [00:30:00] Speaker A: Anyways, so, yep, it was literally three three ohs for T1. They beat TL3. Oh, KC3O TL again, three zero KCB, DSG three OTL also did in the lower bracket. And then TL goes on to three OKC before getting three zeroed in the finals for the qualification match. It's a cool format. If there were more parody in the teams, like, if we legitimately just accepted. The biggest thing I've seen online. I want to get your thoughts on this after I give. Mine is like, why do this whole, you know, AWS powered, you know, power rankings? Like, it's kind of meme done by the community, but, like, in a way, [00:30:40] Speaker B: like, they're giving rankings. Come on. [00:30:42] Speaker A: They're giving ELO to the teams and the regions based on historical international performance and who beats whom at international events. And they've been doing this for a couple of years now. And by this point, we actually have a decent amount of data set that when you look at it, I'm like, okay, EU is way overvalued. But, like, for the most part, I think it makes sense. When you do it for a whole region, it's tough because G2 is the only one. Like, a G2 probably deserves the Elo, but EU as a region does not. No, but, like, if you're gonna do that, why then throw a team like T1 into the play ins? I. I get that, like, you want to give a. A reward for winning first stand, and the reward for winning first stand was that you get both of your teams into the stage two immediately. But it's just. It sets up things like this. Like, the reality of our esport of. Of our global competition is that there is not parody in the seed twos. Like, the. The second seed from every region is. There's going to be drastically different power levels. I think nobody would have been upset if it was Brazil with the second C to LCS team down here instead of T1. Like, imagine if it's Furia instead of T1. I know that sucks for Brazil and that they would be kind of the ones biting the bullet, but, like, just imagine that world. I'll even go as far as to say, as an N A fan, I hope this doesn't happen. But, like, based on our historical international performances, we get one seed to MSI just like what happened last year. And then it's like, then you then Two teams make it out of the play ins and then you know, like that, that can make it better. Like they need to find a way to make it. It better than have the second seed from LCK in the plans. With only one spot on the line there, you're just gifting it to the LCK and this whole thing just becomes kind of unnecessary. [00:32:31] Speaker B: The 16 team bracket at that point. Like, I don't know. [00:32:35] Speaker A: That would drastically increase the cost of the tournament. Yeah, that would be a great solution. But yeah, so, so that's, that's all my thoughts on just like it just. This whole thing was exciting because we got to see tlbkc. But that was the literally only exciting thing other than like a couple of gold leads that TL got on T1. A couple gold leads. He got up on T1. [00:32:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:33:02] Speaker A: Do you have any other thoughts on that or. I mean we don't have to dwell on it too. I don't want to be like too downer on it because there were some fun games we can talk about. [00:33:09] Speaker B: I mean even then, just like they, I don't want to say that they had the worst showing, but like I, I kind of like what T1 showed during the tournament. Even they were, they were putting closely contested games up against T1. Like there was so many times that we're like, oh my gosh, they're doing it, they're doing it. And then it just takes the Dragon Soul fight. Or it takes one instance like that where it's. Oh, never never mind. Just, you know, the T1 macro at the end. The three time reigning world champions with the greatest player to ever play the game, let alone any game ever potentially on the other side. Makes it a little bit rough for your team. [00:33:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I, again, it's that you got to beat T1 five times in the same game. [00:34:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:34:00] Speaker A: In order to actually get that one tick mark on a actual win call. [00:34:04] Speaker B: There's just so much that they do based on the fact that they're so drilled as a team. You know, the discipline that they hold going through just. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, it's patience in game states, but it's also aggression that is earned. Like when they play aggressive, it doesn't feel sloppy. It's not like, oh, they're just throwing four people at a dive bot lane like TL was doing against them. Pulled off the dive clean, you get the kill. Then you look and you're like, oh, fakers pushed on on tier two and takes two plates and denies two waves and pays. Is hitting Mid turret getting plates there because we just went for this full commit dive bot side by that type of aggression, they get the kill and then they're down gold for the play. Like T1 when they go for an aggressive play, every wave is already in their favor. You know, every like ward that needs to be placed down is placed down. The wards that need to be swept have been swept. Like they just do their due diligence way better. And I think it just shows that they are one of the best teams in the world. And it again, to the point, it's just funny and ridiculous that they were in the play ins against the second seeds from these way less power or way less strong regions. But let's, let's. I want to start talking more about the other teams because T1, obviously I. I have them spoilers. We're gonna do like a little prediction segment. I have them going all the way to finals. I think that they are looking good enough. Yes. There were some, you know, gaps in the armor, but this was also warm ups for them. And now they. They're gonna be able to, you know, fix those going forward. [00:35:40] Speaker B: I will say their draw did not favor them. [00:35:42] Speaker A: It did not. [00:35:43] Speaker B: No, no. [00:35:44] Speaker A: And we'll talk about the draw in a little bit here too. But the. The big one I want to talk about is kctl because that match was very, very important for both regions just for the rivalry to continue, but then also for predictions because this was the one that I expected to be the closest and there were close moments, but for the most part, tl, they cleaned this one up pretty slick. [00:36:09] Speaker B: They took care of business. What happened to Kalist? Like, dude, yeah, I was hoping for a better performance. You know, you have yawn, Kalist. Like, there's this strong rivalry going on. Oh, Boosio's over there. I. Oh, Busio. Busio, my boy. What. What happened? [00:36:29] Speaker A: Dude, he activated like the. The winter soldier man. Like, he just heard Whiskey Delta, you know, as Foxtrot and just goes, okay, I'm in. [00:36:38] Speaker B: And just like, okay. [00:36:39] Speaker A: I mean, throws the game for us two times. [00:36:42] Speaker B: Two different times. [00:36:43] Speaker A: First game one was the Camille. [00:36:45] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:46] Speaker A: Where he, like, is in the dragon pit. I actually tweeted this one out because it was so funny. [00:36:52] Speaker B: My friends were like, did you see what Kangas posted? I'm like, no, yeah, dude. [00:36:57] Speaker A: It's ridiculous. He, like tries to hook shot over to a nocturne who has spell shield active. [00:37:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:37:03] Speaker A: Misses and then just dies immediately. [00:37:06] Speaker B: I was like, oh, whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. [00:37:11] Speaker A: And then game three on the Alistair. I Don't remember exactly the moment, but I remember there being a moment in game three that I was like, what the hell? Okay, cool. [00:37:18] Speaker B: Okay. I guess we're doing this. [00:37:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:21] Speaker B: So. So update. Actually question, because I. Okay. I mean we're six series in at this point, so there's. There's six potential games that it could have been played in. What's Camille's win rate this tournament? [00:37:33] Speaker A: Oh, I'm gonna guess low. I'm gonna guess 0% because I don't think Carrie has played it yet. [00:37:40] Speaker B: Right. [00:37:40] Speaker A: Didn't carry a play bard into Busio's Camille. [00:37:44] Speaker B: I don't know who. I can't remember who won it, but there is a. There's one victory on Camille. [00:37:49] Speaker A: Okay. [00:37:49] Speaker B: Okay, so how many games played? Actually Carria played it. Game one against tl. [00:37:55] Speaker A: Because that was last series. [00:37:57] Speaker B: No, day one. Day one game. [00:37:59] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. [00:38:00] Speaker B: Because that was the Mel. Mel Camille Bot Lane. [00:38:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:38:05] Speaker B: That was. Yeah. Yasuo top for Morgan and they tried to play the Yasuo comp and it just didn't work. And that one. [00:38:14] Speaker A: That game was the one that I saw the least of because I was stuck at the airport trying to get a hotel because my flight was delayed. [00:38:20] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:38:22] Speaker A: So that. That was just a stressful moment. So I caught games two and three of that series more closely. But I forgot. [00:38:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that too. And I'm like. Yeah, yeah, I know. So crystal ball update just for everybody. Vi, Lucian and Jace are all three. Zero. [00:38:39] Speaker A: Nice. [00:38:40] Speaker B: Vi is the most bad champion at msi. And my pick of Jarvan being the most picked, it's. It's not going well. [00:38:50] Speaker A: Okay, fair enough. Well, Jarvan has been played a decent amount, but not in like every game. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Yeah, not every game. Yeah, I thought he was gonna be like high Prio. Like Blue side, like B1 Blue side. Every single game. Like Gabe 1. Just every single round. And then it's. No, no, no, no. You. You have the wrong meet on the read on the meta. [00:39:13] Speaker A: So it does get difficult though when it's fearless because you only get one pick per series if it's a high represented champion. So. Yeah, with six series played and only three, you know, three O's or three undefeated champions, it's like. Yeah, I think that that's indicative of like the change for Fearless now. [00:39:33] Speaker B: So Renektonar and Rise are the only champions that have all been picked in each series so far. [00:39:39] Speaker A: Okay. [00:39:40] Speaker B: As a. [00:39:40] Speaker A: That's just because they weren't banned. [00:39:42] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So interesting. [00:39:46] Speaker A: Interesting. Well, it didn't work out for Carmine Core, the rise was not enough. They. They went for a very creative draft. We got to see Kalist's first Ziggs game and he solo killed Yawn, which was just depressing. Jan really took his time to warm up in the KC series and he also took some time to warm up into the the T1 series as well. I think that both the bot laners for TL and KC were struggling but oh my God. Core JJ had like the tournament run of his life. I. I'm so sad we don't get to see more of this version of Core JJ at MSI because he looked. Looked so good in their losses and their wins. [00:40:24] Speaker B: Like she's God he looks so good. I. He. He's back on form. He. I mean I don't think. I mean he lost it there for a while, but I think. I think he's in a a comfortable environment and he's able to thrive because he's got teammates that listen to him [00:40:45] Speaker A: and I think that the he. The team benefits so much from more engaged supports being in the meta. This was something that very was happening with like the Buffs to Knight's vow and locket and like Riot trying to get engaged supports back into a more healthy spot in pro play because it was really only Enchanters for a very long time. And TL like Core is just always a player that will look really good when he's the one calling the shots for the team. And he had some amazing engages that T1 engage last night where he gets like the flank is Alistair and four man knock up. He also played I believe. I think it was Rel. He played well in both series. I don't remember which one it was, but there was a moment where like they're setting up at Baron and he likes Rel and gets over the wall by Krugs to like flank around and get onto the enemy team. Like just amazing creative flanking angles for engaged supports. And he played against kc. It was like the. The Rel pantheon. We got support pantheon back which was sick. And Yasuo middle for quid that was exciting too. And then Nautilus for. For game three. [00:41:51] Speaker B: So I just. [00:41:51] Speaker A: I think that if this is how Team Liquid is going to look going into summer and the. The meta stays on more engaged supports. I'm very excited for what Liquid's gonna be able to do in N A and then going into worlds as well. Any other thoughts or takeaways from Team Liquid versus kc? Because this was the big rivalry and you were the one that said Casey was gonna win it. [00:42:13] Speaker B: So why didn't they win it? Dude, I defected from my American fandom for a moment and I had a. You have relapse of judgment and I apologize to all of my fans. [00:42:26] Speaker A: Well, you haven't thought you were gonna [00:42:29] Speaker B: blame it makes it a 4:2 game or whatever the meme is. And [00:42:35] Speaker A: I don't know what meme you're [00:42:36] Speaker B: talking about, so that's. That's a story. That's one for another time. [00:42:39] Speaker A: We don't have to explain. [00:42:40] Speaker B: I explain it off cast. But yeah, no, I, I felt really bad because I mean, I also thought that like Yahoo was going to be the best player that wasn't a T1 player in play ins and it turned out I was wrong. [00:42:53] Speaker A: Well, yes. Kill faker. That was cool. [00:42:58] Speaker B: Yeah, he looked. He looked really good. Like, I was proud of how much growth he's shown in his first like foray into international competition, but at the same time it just wasn't enough for the rest of the team. And I'm kind of curious where this leaves EU after all of this too, since you lost to NA2. I. It's just, it's just G2 and friends at this point over there and yeah, [00:43:28] Speaker A: especially when it comes to international and. And I gotta say, I think a big part was like Morgan gapped Kana in the top lane. [00:43:35] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:43:35] Speaker A: That was not pretty. Jose gapped Yike in the jungle. I think Core gapped Busio Yan was struggling into Kalisp but showed up a little more impactfully in team fights. But Quid was able to get the better of Yahoo. Yeah, Casey, they got a lot of work to do if they want to make any damage at Worlds and I think that they gotta get some of their. Their ego in check. I think this was. Was a good ego check for them to be like, okay, we are not as hot as we thought we were going to be. But hey, on the bright side, I saw a tweet pop off from some random European Twitter user. I don't. I didn't recognize their username. On the bright side, G2 is both more European and more French than KC if you look at their roster. So there you go. You can still cheer on G2 if you're an EU fan. With that said though, let's move on to stage two because plans basically an email. We got the win over EU, but T1 was the better team overall. Stage two, I'm going to run through the representatives real quick because the bracket was drawn and then we're going to give some brief predictions before closing out the episode. Stage two bracket will have BLG versus T1, and then lion versus Fury up. That's right. We get the classic LPL LCK matchup with BLGT1. These teams are so history at this point at international event. And then we also get NA versus Brazil, which is kind of hype. I. I'm very excited for that. Lta. Lta rematch, you know, LTA is back on the menu, boys. [00:45:12] Speaker B: Back on the menu. [00:45:14] Speaker A: And the winners of these will place off against each other, so they're on the same side of the bracket. So round two of that bracket will be much less exciting than round one, I have to imagine. But round one will at least give us some very exciting games. Then on the other side of the bracket, it's HLE versus Team Secret Whales and then G2 versus Top Esports. So we also get G2 versus Top, a pretty historic rival there. [00:45:40] Speaker B: A staple of international competition at this point. [00:45:43] Speaker A: A staple of international. Yeah. [00:45:44] Speaker B: Really? [00:45:45] Speaker A: G2. Any LPL teams gonna have some history? [00:45:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I. They have. They have great history with all of the LPL teams at this point, so. [00:45:53] Speaker A: But that's going to be an exciting side. I'm just happy that lion and Furia is happening early because there's a chance we wouldn't have gotten that. And the Brazilian fans have been talking mad after the America's cup, and we need a good opportunity to shut them down. So let's go, Lion. Let's go. All right, now let's do our predictions. We got four little categories. I threw them in, Badger through them, and I see Bickle also threw his in. So Badger read me the first category, and then we'll talk about who we think is going to fulfill that category. So top to bottom, we'll start with number one. [00:46:26] Speaker B: So the four first category, we have the first two teams eliminated. So unfortunately, this is the seventh and eighth place teams. It's the thanks for playing award pretty much, we can call it. [00:46:35] Speaker A: And that means they lose two series in a row and they're out of there. [00:46:39] Speaker B: You have the same teams that I have, which is also the same team that Bickel has, and that is Furia and Team Secret Whales. [00:46:51] Speaker A: Yes, I. It's sad that we all have the same one, but I just look at the bracket and it's literally the bracket. I think the only other argument would be lion instead of Team Secret Whales. Yes, but Lion Fury play round one. So it can't be. It literally can't be. Unless you think Furia upsets Lion, in which case. Oh, that's. [00:47:11] Speaker B: Oh, that would be spicy. [00:47:13] Speaker A: Honestly, that would be very spicy. But like, I. I think that this is just the most obvious team. Secret Whales is against hle, the number one seed from Korea. I imagine they're gonna lose that. [00:47:21] Speaker B: One of the strongest teams in the tournament. Yeah, yeah. [00:47:26] Speaker A: But then I don't know exactly how the losers bracket is seated. Is there any chance that it'd be Furia versus TSW in the. In the lower bracket? I. I don't know. [00:47:36] Speaker B: I don't think so. I think. Think they play the loser of BLGT1. [00:47:42] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Well, knowing how that would be the only other way that I don't think it's this as the outcome is if they play against each other, but if they don't play against each other, I see it being furious and I see everyone else agrees. Otherwise, yeah, it would be like lion if they get upset or probably like G2 or Top Esports, the loser of that one. I know top esports is pretty shaky historically at international events and sometimes bombs out. So if they get a rough draw and it's like them versus T1 or BLG or something, it's like, oh, because one of some team is gonna go up against those two. [00:48:16] Speaker B: So it's like someone unfortunately has to go against those teams. So. [00:48:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, there we go. What is the second category, Badger? [00:48:25] Speaker B: The second category is the lovingly entitled darkest horse. I don't know why we've transcended dark horses and gone to darkest horses, but [00:48:35] Speaker A: there can be multiple dark horses, you know. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. But the darkest horse, I and Bickle agree on this and have G2 as our darkest horse. Who do you have, Kangas? [00:48:49] Speaker A: I got lion, baby. And the reason for it being that lion, in my opinion, pretty much guaranteed to win their first best of five series. I'm saying that knowing, full confident that I could be cursing them right now. But if they just win, they're in G2. If they lose to Top Esports could just get knocked out immediately and be one of the first two eliminated. I think that the first round is so much easier for Lion. That said, the rest of the bracket should theoretically be easier for G2 to make it into a deep upper bracket run. But I think that lion can win their first round and then maybe win their first lower bracket round. I think they're a little more favored on the the bracket right now. That that's really the bigger reason. I do think that G2 is a better team, but I favor lying on the bracket draw. [00:49:35] Speaker B: Fair. [00:49:36] Speaker A: All right, what's the next one? [00:49:38] Speaker B: The next one is who? Well, I guess it's finalists, but what is the finals matchup? Yes, and surprisingly, you, pickle and myself have the three same teams across the board, but it's all three different combinations. So, yeah, I have BLG, HLE, Bickle has Hanwha versus T1. And you have. [00:50:08] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I think it's gonna be a rematch. So blg T wonder in the first round. I think it's gonna be like a five game banger at one of those moments of like, ooh, that felt like a finals. And then one of them is gonna have to run the entire lower right. One of these teams T1BLG is going to be in the lower bracket round one. They could run the entire lower bracket when four best of fives in a row to earn their way back to the finals. That would be such a fun storyline to get a rematch in the finals. [00:50:35] Speaker B: Could you imagine the the idea of having like BLG top esports be the lower bracket finals and then the upper bracket being Han what T1 and all the LTK fans are like, yeah, we're in a really good spot. And then whoever wins between BLG top esports, which I would assume based on all of our predictions, would be blg, but then comes through and smacks him down. And mazel's golden road theory lives on through the tournament. [00:51:14] Speaker A: Yeah, could happen. Could happen. You and I both have it as a possibility. Pickles thinks there's going to be an LCK match in the finals. And what is the final category? [00:51:22] Speaker B: Badger. The final is who wins the tournament. [00:51:26] Speaker A: And that simple. Pick a team. [00:51:29] Speaker B: I picked Hogwart Life. Bickle picked hodbolife. You supported your friend and went for the golden road, continuing through MSI picking Bilibili. Is it just because there. Is it because the gold road? Are we reaching narratives? Do you just think they're tournament? [00:51:50] Speaker A: MSI belongs to the LPL. Dude, I know that T1's won two of them in the past five years, but historically, historically, LPL has won the most MSIs. MSI belongs to this team. [00:52:06] Speaker B: Actually. [00:52:07] Speaker A: Also, it wasn't T1 or SKT. It was Gen G that won two of the last ones. Yeah, T1 1. [00:52:11] Speaker B: I was about to say. I'm like, I. [00:52:13] Speaker A: So we got what? 1, 2, 3, 4. I. Okay, I guess both of the regions have four MSI titles. Yes, but BLG's been in the finals two different times at MSI. I think that they especially World's Finals in that run as well. Like this is their opportunity. I think the BLG can finally get their big international win. [00:52:38] Speaker B: First dad, first strike, whatever. The third First Dad. [00:52:41] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. I still don't feel like first dad, like is. [00:52:46] Speaker B: I know it's a big enough deal right now. It's weird to think about it. [00:52:50] Speaker A: I mean, maybe it grows on me more. [00:52:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but, yeah, no, but there you have it. [00:52:55] Speaker A: That's our expectations. [00:52:56] Speaker B: I mean, G2 also has an MSI, so theoretically speaking they do. If G2 didn't win MSI 2019 finals, well, I mean that would have been Team Liquid at that point. But this is, this is the first five, potentially. [00:53:11] Speaker A: You know what I forgot by the way, this is gonna be a random tangent before we wrap up here. I checked out the Esport Garage's latest video. Like every MSI finals or. No, just every MSI in like 30 minutes. [00:53:22] Speaker B: Yes. [00:53:23] Speaker A: Great video. Go check it out. It's fantastic. Funnily enough, I, I just forgot that the, the west had been doing really well at MSI for a while because the first MSI was just EDG beating T1 or SKT at the time. And then the second MSI ever was CLG's finals appearance versus SKT. And then the third MSI was G2 in the finals versus SKT. And then two years after that it was NA versus EU in the finals with EU getting the fastest ever, you know, best of five win. So yeah, the first couple of years of MSI was actually like, yeah, it was for the most part, you know, China and Korea dominating, but the west was really competitive and man, we have [00:54:11] Speaker B: not been there since to, to quote old Westerns. And that's how the west was won at that point. That's where the EU NA gap kind of started to develop. Especially with, you know, Fnatic 2018 GT 2019, like both teams finals having deep runs in MSI just back when it [00:54:30] Speaker A: felt achievable, back when it felt possible. [00:54:32] Speaker B: Oh my gosh, that was, that was the wildest time like transitioning out of being like, like a full on Korean fan like that and to being like, okay, you know, I support the teams in the west just based on like connections and stuff like that. And then being like, like, holy cow, they're in World Finals. I mean, I didn't think they had a chance against ig, but like holy cow, they're in World Finals. [00:54:56] Speaker A: Can't take that away from them. [00:54:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. It was a great accomplishment for them. [00:55:00] Speaker A: Just had to beat C9 to get there, you know. [00:55:04] Speaker B: All right, always comes back. [00:55:05] Speaker A: Well, with that being said, that's gonna do it for this week's episode. We got a heart out that we got to get to. And again, more chill one. There wasn't a lot to talk about from plans, but a lot of news and a little more preview. [00:55:15] Speaker B: Excited to talk about excited to talk about the tournament as a whole when it ends and see if we can put it on a scale of 1 to 10. How we thought about it last MSI was fantastic. [00:55:27] Speaker A: I looked back at that doc and [00:55:28] Speaker B: I oh my gosh, it was so good last year. [00:55:31] Speaker A: So many game fives. It was incredible. With that being said though, just a heads up for everybody who's listened this far along, there is a chance we don't have an episode next week. I'll be traveling. I would love to try and get one out, but it'll just kind of be a halfway through MSI. There are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, best of fives that are going to be happening over two more weeks. So there is a chance that we just do a recap episode at the very end. But if possible we will effort one in halfway through. But it'll be one of those things where we have to record it and then it'll come out after the next series has happened. But you know, if we, if we have the ability to. I'd still love to get it out. But just a heads up that there's a chance we don't have one for for next week. But if we do, then haha. There we go. We made it work either way. Just know that we appreciate you making it this far into the episode. Listening along to our crazy takes. The fact that people still listen to the podcast that said Shopify Rebellion was going to be the best team in lcs. You know, it really speaks for how hopeful our audience is, I'm gonna put it that way. But thank you so much for listening along everybody. Just know that we love you and [00:56:46] Speaker B: we'll see you next time. Goodbye. Goodbye. [00:56:51] Speaker A: Oh yes, Daddy.