League Rundown - Episode 612: Well it can’t get worse than that

[00:00:13] Speaker A: Gets a little too far here, he's gonna have to try and get himself out. Let me go. Tillery and the rest of the shots of fire Zion is just killing the next Zion can eat it single handedly [00:00:22] Speaker B: win the game by game by game by game by [00:00:26] Speaker A: should be oh my God. Stupid passes through and manages to the table with Messiah tanking it up. I do not believe he just believe. [00:00:42] Speaker B: I cannot understand this game. Unicorns of love it wasn't a mutant the Nexus. Foreign [00:01:06] Speaker A: hello and welcome to episode 612 of the League Rundown. This is your 2026 spring split LCS Playoffs review and this episode is lovingly entitled well it can't get worse than that. I am your host Kangas and I'm joined by one esteemed co host. Might surprise you we could not get a full cast to talk about one of the fastest ever LCS finals. Actually I think it might be the fastest ever finals weekend because two sweeps, pretty quick games. But we got Badger joining us on the how you doing? [00:01:36] Speaker B: You know I joked with you about asking if the streets of Phoenix were clean and then you told me that you were in Tempe. So you know we were off to a great start at this point. [00:01:47] Speaker A: Yep, yep. They were clean though. [00:01:48] Speaker B: They were clean. [00:01:49] Speaker A: They were clean. [00:01:49] Speaker B: They were campus. It's very nice and tidy. No, I genuinely, I. I'm curious. I didn't dig into it this much, but is this the fewest amount of playoff games in a LCS season since we got to 16 double elimination? [00:02:07] Speaker A: Because it's a good I don't know the answer, but I only 5 extra [00:02:13] Speaker B: games that were necessary at this point because it was two three twos to start a three one of TL over fly and then the rest were three O's like yep. What? What is going on? What are we doing? [00:02:27] Speaker A: 1, 2, 34530s out of 8 games or 8 series played. It was a bit of a bummer of a playoffs if we're being honest. Did not quite deliver on the hype of that first weekend which made us think that, ooh, it's gonna be close. But I mean we can talk about kind of what it means for the confidence in Lions specifically who made very quick and confident work of Team Liquid. But before we get into all that, there's actually also a lot of news that we can cover this week on the episode. Just a lot of fun stuff came out this past week. So at the end if we have time because there's only six games to talk about for LCS Finals. Maybe we can also talk about a fun game that you brought up last time you were on Badger, which is the Golden Road. So stick around to the end of the episode. We will probably have some time to do that, but for the most part this is going to be a kind of like news dense episode ahead of MSI preview episode next week just because LCS Finals Not a lot to break down in terms of what happened. But starting off with the global news, let's get around the horn. Some roster news happened. Badger, what's going on on the rosters either on NA or eusa. [00:03:43] Speaker B: Yeah so I'll start with the I'll start with the stateside one of Dignita or not Dignita. God. Disguise confirmed that Serdi will be the starting top laner throughout the summer split, which is good. Woo. Yeah, Love it when domestic players get a chance to play domestically, especially with [00:04:04] Speaker A: how good he played at the end of the split. [00:04:06] Speaker B: He looked really good at the end of the split so it's. [00:04:08] Speaker A: He looks very good. [00:04:09] Speaker B: I was. You know, Disguise has been really good at this of like not dropping the ball on moves like this in the past. So like I'm really glad that they didn't drop the ball on this one because Serdes honestly deserved a fair shake for a long time now and yeah, it just hasn't felt like he's actually been given the proper channels to display his talent for the LCS to see. [00:04:37] Speaker A: Fully agreed. And now we get DSG is still this kind of like because Academy doesn't exist anymore. Tier 2 as it currently stands is a lot of like XLCS players that are at the top of of Tier two right now. So DSG kind of is the farm team. Like it's the only one that's like actually getting players promoted basically and then they're poached immediately and taken to other teams and then DSG has to replace them and then like those players get taken. It's like, okay, well at least we get a rotation of players coming into the I think it's awesome if DSG just serves that purpose and keeps defending their spot that way. [00:05:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. I think that would be a great thing to keep them as like the talent farm essentially. It's kind of. I don't want to compare what they did to like as like C9 Academy back in the day where the goal of C9 Academy was just to build all these players up to then sell them off. But at the same time like I mean Sentinels how much how much of their Roster. Did Sentinels take like, three fifths? [00:05:38] Speaker A: I think it was three. Three dark wings, Rahel and Right. [00:05:44] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, that's a good. [00:05:47] Speaker A: Castle's business model. [00:05:48] Speaker B: Yeah, they've lost 4/5 of their roster since. Since the start of MSI last year, essentially, let's just put it that way. But. [00:05:56] Speaker A: But hey, if that's how DSG makes their money, that's how they operate. [00:06:00] Speaker B: Like, that's a good. That's good on you. Honestly, like, yeah, it's gonna make it [00:06:05] Speaker A: tough to, like, get a roster that's coherent, but there's still enough players in Tier two that, like, they can just replace whoever they sell with somebody else and then try and improve them and try and make stuff better. Yeah, I think it's a really cool project for a coach like Ido to work on who's got a lot of experience working with Tier two players. [00:06:22] Speaker B: Any the. [00:06:23] Speaker A: And then other roster news, though. [00:06:25] Speaker B: We'll hop across the pond for this one. Han sama extended for two more years, unsurprisingly. G2. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Yep. [00:06:32] Speaker B: Really, really proud of Hans's performance so far in the lac, especially considering Kist [00:06:39] Speaker A: was extended earlier this year, if not like late last year. So you're not going to get Kist. [00:06:44] Speaker B: It's the arms race of 80 carries at that point. So Kist obviously being, I think, the most touted prospect because he's still, he's still developing as a player. Like, we've, We've. We've smack talked Casey in the past, but at the same time, this is a team that. That's. I mean, they're. They're at msi. This team is good. They. They have a young player that they've been building around for years. He's been the. Intended to carry at this point for like four years now. this point, like, they can't, like, deny it. So of course they're going to try and keep him as long as they can. So, yeah, G2 naturally going to get Hans, who's probably the best, if not second best, AD Carry. You know, they're in the argument. [00:07:23] Speaker A: It depends on who you ask. Yeah, it's between him and Hans. Like, people are pretty much. [00:07:30] Speaker B: And they will be for a long time. I. I don't see Hans falling off anytime soon. He's in really good form right now, so. And then. [00:07:37] Speaker A: So the last [00:07:40] Speaker B: one. [00:07:42] Speaker A: Does this count as a roster bit of news? [00:07:44] Speaker B: I don't know I technically announced anything with it, but Sam Matthews, the guy who runs Fnatic, who's definitely not made any mistakes in the past whatsoever. Running Fnatic announced. [00:07:57] Speaker A: Well, naturally they're completely well oiled machine. [00:07:59] Speaker B: You're right, you're right. They're so well rounded. It's such a great organization. They announced that they have an AI coach. That's all we got essentially. Yeah. The, the, the, the line that we have on the document says FNC have an AI coach. La Mao. That's all we got. Yep, yep. [00:08:18] Speaker A: More. More was basically like a sneak peek at our new Lowell AI coach, which is like a learning model that is gonna help out the coaching staff. We're memeing it. But I think that like first off, it's just a side of the times that every tech company or every, pretty much every company's trying to force AI somewhere into their business model. And it would not surprise me at all if this is like a sponsored thing or if, or if like fanatic investors have some connection to like Google AI because they're using Google AI for this one. I think it's Gemini. Is that what it is? I believe. [00:08:56] Speaker B: I think so. I don't, I thought it was. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't really look into it because I saw that they had an AI coach and I was like, oh, okay. It's like, yeah, no, it was not. [00:09:07] Speaker A: It's quite silly. [00:09:08] Speaker B: Yes. [00:09:09] Speaker A: It's a bit sensationalist. I imagine what it's actually going to account for is like draft assistance. So when, when I think of AI, I think that AI is a dirty word because of a lot of the use cases of it. A lot of use cases of AI are just stupid. And I am not a fan of. There are some specific use cases of AI that I'm like, okay, that makes sense as a tool because like the smaller the data set that the AI has to work with, the more accurate it's going to be. And if you have an AI and you just say like, here is all of our scrim data and all of the stage data of this team give us like draft tendencies. You know, what's their most first picked champion? Like break it down into these categories. It just saves you time. Obviously you could do that. You could have an assistant coach go and do that and just like look at all the data and come up with all that themselves. But an AI will just be able to do it super fast and just like give you that information in like a minute. So that's where I see the use of something like this for a coaching staff. I hope it's just a tool that the coaches use to make their jobs easier. But I'm worried that like they're just going to say, create our draft for this weekend. [00:10:20] Speaker B: It's kind of like. But like also Gemini, tell me what I need to pick our five in this draft. [00:10:28] Speaker A: Like, right, How, Gemini, how do I beat G2? Yeah, I think it's all going to come down to application of it. But immediately hearing the way that they phrase the word our new Lowell AI coach, I'm like, oh God, this is probably going to go poorly. Yeah, it's so shout out grabs, you know. Good luck. [00:10:48] Speaker B: Good luck, Good luck. I believe in you. [00:10:50] Speaker A: Hey, you know what? The AI could not draft worse than him. Right? [00:10:53] Speaker B: There's no way, honestly. Yeah, sometimes, I guess. [00:10:59] Speaker A: Well, so that's all the, the roster news though, for the, for the week. [00:11:03] Speaker B: Right? I mean, do we want to talk about the ruler one now? Do we want to lump it in here or do we want to save it for later? [00:11:08] Speaker A: I put that in the LCK update, so let's save that for a little bit later. [00:11:12] Speaker B: It's down there because. [00:11:13] Speaker A: Yeah, because it's a funny one, but [00:11:15] Speaker B: technically that's roster news. But that's like not as, not as like roster news as you would expect. So it is what it is. [00:11:22] Speaker A: Yeah. It's not like affecting his play ability to play. [00:11:25] Speaker B: So I mean, we'll say that they're not at MSI so they don't have to worry about anything at this point. [00:11:29] Speaker A: Fair? Fair. Well, on that point, actually, let's just go right into there because we have our MSI teams confirmed. All of them have been locked in. We know our plans representatives, we know our bracket representatives. So I'll run through these really quick. In the bracket from lpl, we have BLG and Top Esports. RIP the we Miracle Run. We've been talking about that the past couple of weeks. They did not make it to MSI. They didn't make it, unfortunately. From LEC, we have G2. From LCK, we have HLE from LCS, we have Lion. From LCP we have Team Secret Whales. And from CB LOL, we have Furia. And then that's if you, if you notice, that's only seven teams. So to fill out the bracket, there is a play ins for the fur final 8th spot in the bracket stage. The plans is basically the second seed from a bunch of regions save CB, lol. We have T1 from LCK team Liquid from LCS, KC from LEC and then Deep Cross Gaming from LCP. This is going to be a Bloodbath in the play ins and everyone's expecting T1 to make it out. But I think any one of these teams has an argument. T1 are just heavy favorites. Of course. But man, it's gonna be hard. Like, this is probably the hardest play ins I've ever seen in my life. Usually you think play ins, you think, oh, the bad teams, it's like, nah, dude. [00:12:50] Speaker B: No, no. [00:12:51] Speaker A: TL is probably the worst team in here. [00:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. Deep Cross. Deep Cross might actually be the worst team at msi, but I don't know [00:13:03] Speaker A: much about them, so I'm not gonna speak on it. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Yeah, they're. [00:13:07] Speaker A: I just know Team Liquid looks in the final. [00:13:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Going off tl, TL definitely do not look that great. Yeah. [00:13:15] Speaker A: But and for anybody confused about my statement, if you saw my tweet where I put in my MSI play in bracket or my pickums, I do that every year where I just say the LCS team is gonna go undefeated. And it might surprise you. I've never been right, so bit of copium in that one. I really do think that this is gonna be a brutal gauntlet for TL to get through. Like even if we Miracle beat T1 in our first round, because surprise, that's our first round. It's a Elim bracket for plans and our first round in the bracket is T1. Even if we beat them, we then have to beat KC or Deep Cross Gaming and then probably beat T1 again because I imagine they will run through the lower bracket and want to rematch. So either we lose to them and then we run the lower bracket and only have to beat T1 once or we have to beat T1 twice. And I, oh my God, both of those sound really hard. I mean, which do you think is more likely? That TTL loses first round and then has to win three series in a row, including a match against T1, or that they just beat T1 twice? [00:14:20] Speaker B: I mean, I like, I, I, I think there's a 99 chance they lose to T1 like in the first days. Like T1. I mean it's, it's faker at an international stage. And yeah, and T1 did just basically embarrass Genji to make. I mean, they didn't embarrass him because it was a 3 2. But like they were able to take down Genji and send them home. So it's, it's not looking good for tl and I, I don't want to say it's looking good for Casey either. Or deep cross at that matter. Like, yeah, there's. Yeah, it's. It's more likely that T1 comes out of this bracket than any of the other three teams. [00:15:10] Speaker A: This bracket is like if you did a four player Smash Bros game with three just like regular dudes got three [00:15:17] Speaker B: friends in Hungry Box, you know, it's. And Hungry Box. [00:15:19] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:15:20] Speaker B: Rolls up. [00:15:22] Speaker A: It's just, you know, Mewtwo King in there with like three just guys. [00:15:26] Speaker B: It's like, hey guys, do you mind if I play it? They're like, that's, that's just, that's how this is going to work out. Unfortunately. [00:15:36] Speaker A: It's going to be tough. So we're expecting T1 to make it in. In which case half of the representatives in the bracket stage will be LCK or lpl. But that's kind of expected for these more smaller scale to mid range tournaments. If not even like world's top 8 as well. [00:15:52] Speaker B: World's top 8, the last couple of years have been primarily LPL slash LCK teams anyways, so yeah, so no difference. [00:16:01] Speaker A: But we'll still be waiting to watch play ins. They start on June 20th, 7th for us in North America. I believe that is still the same case for those that are over in Korea. It's just gonna be like really late for us. And really I think it's like during an 28. [00:16:18] Speaker B: So technically I think yours is like the 27th at 11pm or something like that because mine's the 28th at like and I believe it'd be like 2am [00:16:29] Speaker A: so I'm looking here it says 27th at 10pm Pacific time. But that, that's because I'm on the west coast. So that, that would check out that it's the 27th in the extreme evening or like overnight. [00:16:42] Speaker B: Okay. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it's in Korea, so it's going to be ungodly hours. [00:16:45] Speaker B: Oh, they're playing those series back to back. Oh, oh, they are. [00:16:49] Speaker A: T1 versus TL. Then Casey versus DCG will happen back to back and then day two will be literally just the next day. And then there's only four days of play ins in total. So we're having back to back ones. But then I believe it goes to best of fives once it's qualification games and those will be happening. [00:17:09] Speaker B: They're all best of fives. Every. Every series at MSI is a best of five. [00:17:17] Speaker A: Surely not. Oh my God. They are. [00:17:19] Speaker B: It is. Yeah. No, I. Oh Jesus. Yeah, that's why I'm like, oh, they're doing back to back like same. [00:17:26] Speaker A: I didn't even think about that. I just see the three hour gap between the first series and the second series on schedule. Which of course [00:17:34] Speaker B: series on the schedule for that would. [00:17:36] Speaker A: Yeah, you would have to allow for that. [00:17:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:40] Speaker A: Okay, well [00:17:42] Speaker B: buckle up. You're gonna be. [00:17:46] Speaker A: I will also be at a wedding on that Sunday. So I will be in Colorado on Saturday with friends, probably staying up late watching that and then being tired at the wedding the next day. [00:17:59] Speaker B: So that's good. I never told you so I've never told this story on the podcast before. The day after I got married was the day that NRG knocked G2 out of Worlds of 2023. And I watched it live. [00:18:10] Speaker A: Oh shit. [00:18:10] Speaker B: Like 4am it was so. [00:18:15] Speaker A: So in order for NA to win World. [00:18:18] Speaker B: I'm just saying, I'm not saying that you gotta like spirit bomb TL for this but like at the same time, like you gotta figure out a way to watch TL at, at this wedding or in the hotel or whatever and lie. [00:18:32] Speaker A: I will, I will propose and like try and do a Vegas style wedding. I mean they're already gonna have an officiator there, so maybe I could just. [00:18:39] Speaker B: Oh, you know what, two for one special. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously that's, that's, that would go over real well, let me tell you. [00:18:47] Speaker A: That's a good call. It's a good call. I didn't think about that way, but thanks for the advice. [00:18:51] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:18:51] Speaker A: That's gonna be essentially not this coming weekend, but the next weekend. We will have one weekend off between LCS finals and then plans starting for msi. There's a lot of other news that we can get through but we can wrap rapid fire some of these ones. Up next, Vetius on sabbatical. He made a post saying that he's gonna be taking some time off. He has been working pretty much non stop for the LEC for the past 10 years and now he's going to take a little break. But he will be back for LEC playoffs. That means he will not be there for LEC summer split majority and also will not be at msi. So best of luck to Vettius. Hope that he rests up and feels recuperated. It's a, it's a tough job. It's a demanding job to do for that long that consistently. And yes there are natural breaks in the year but just having the ability to take your own break when you want to doesn't really exist. So cool that he's able to do that. Similar to what Medic and Dracos were doing earlier this year. All right, Badger, what happened in Brazil? Right. Some trouble in Brazil, Right? [00:19:53] Speaker B: Yeah. So I didn't read the full article, but I kind of was able to put the bits and pieces of it together. Essentially, what happened is there are countries that don't incentivize gambling or those who are like, hey, I could legally pander gambling to kids. Let's. Let's figure out ways to do this. So they're. So loot boxes have been considered and deemed a predatory thing for a while at this point in most countries, and Brazil is one of them. So, naturally speaking, since Riot puts loot boxes in league between Hextech Chests and the. It's not the essence of porium, it's the. What's it called? The. The one where it's the special. Like. I don't know. I. I never do the gotcha thing. [00:20:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about. [00:20:54] Speaker B: The. The sparks. The ancient Sparks or something like that, where you gamble sparks for a chance to get something like that. [00:21:05] Speaker A: I just apparently do not use the website enough. [00:21:07] Speaker B: I. Yeah. [00:21:08] Speaker A: I didn't even know this was a thing. [00:21:09] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's. It's an in client thing in the Mythic shop, and there's like a different tab that you can go to on there, so. [00:21:19] Speaker A: Okay, sure. [00:21:21] Speaker B: But I believe. I believe that is exactly what's the issue at this point, is that they're promoting gambling to kids, and you can't do that. So they've. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Loot boxes, notoriously, are just gambling. And certain countries will have certain restrictions, some are more than others. So Brazil is getting a modest payout. I would say 2.9 million USD. Not a huge payout, but it's something. So we'll see what the. The Brazilian government does with that, you know. Yeah, that's just a little funny one right there. One that's a little less funny is the esport charts came out with their report for LCS spring finals viewership, and no surprise, it mirrors an earlier report about the regular season viewership, and it is the lowest recorded yet. It's not looking good for LCS viewership across the board. Really painful for all of us on the team. Just like so much effort going into the product and so much positive endorsement of the product from the community. Like, you check the Reddit posts that popped off both of these reports, and pretty much all the comments were like, yeah, like, it sucks. They're. They're doing a great job. But just people aren't watching and viewership Just keeps going down. So it's not for lack of effort, but we have not been able to course correct the declining viewership yet. Still hopeful that we can in the future, but as of right now, it's not low. So, Badger, I'm gonna put you on the spot. Why have you stopped watching lcs and why are you killing our viewership? What the hell, dude? [00:22:56] Speaker B: Yeah, me in particular. All. All 27,500 of my clones have stopped watching the LCS. Clearly. [00:23:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you were supposed to have all the accounts logged in. [00:23:08] Speaker B: You know what? I didn't pay for Twitch Premium or Twitch Turbo or whatever it was, so. My bad. [00:23:16] Speaker A: All right, well, hey, you know what? Never too late to correct it. Let's bump those numbers up, all right? [00:23:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:22] Speaker A: Also, shout out to anybody who does still watch the show actively or has been posting on the threads about the positive sentiment or. Your positive perception of the show means a lot to us on the team. I can speak for myself at least as. And I know it's a pretty common sentiment for. For the broadcast on the team is like. It can be demoralizing when you see those come out. But the thing that brings us comfort and happiness is the positive sentiment on the product itself. And it seems like people are still happy with that, or at least the majority. There's still gonna be some people. We're not gonna be everybody's cup of tea, make everybody happy. But the majority of the comments are positive about the product itself, and that. That really helps us stay positive on our end and. And keep going. So we do it for you and appreciate all of your support. [00:24:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [00:24:08] Speaker A: I think that's it. We finally got through the news, right? Oh, wait, tax evasion. There was that one LCK update. What's going on over the LCK with Ruler? [00:24:15] Speaker B: Ruler got fined 20. 20. Wait, it was 20 million won. So I believe that's. [00:24:26] Speaker A: Oh, maybe. Maybe I put the wrong thing down. I put 20k for tax evasion. [00:24:31] Speaker B: So he put. So technically speaking, it's okay. It's $13,000 that he's been fined by Caspa for tax evasion, and he has to do 40 hours of community service. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Oh, that's the funniest one. [00:24:47] Speaker B: That's. [00:24:48] Speaker A: Yes, that's great. [00:24:49] Speaker B: It's pretty great. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Amazing. 40 hours is not a small amount for a gamer. That's like. That's like two days of solo queue. Yeah, Think about that, you know? Yeah, that's a lot of time not spent on the Rift. Does have a lot of free time, as he did not make it to msi so, you know, maybe he can bang that out here in the off season. Convenient time to commit tax fraud. Am I right? [00:25:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. [00:25:14] Speaker A: Great reminder to everybody, pay your taxes and if you don't get away with it. Okay. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Somehow get away with it. [00:25:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Best of luck. Best of luck to all of you out there. That's just another funny one. There was a lot of funny news this past week. I think we got. [00:25:28] Speaker B: It's just a silly week overall, you know, It's a silly little week. [00:25:32] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. You know, it's just like a silly blip on the radar. Silly little LCS finals. And I suppose we got to talk about it at some point. So let's transition into. Into this past weekend at the Mullet arena in Tempe, Arizona at the ASU campus. Very fun venue, incredible crowd, hot as balls. That is a desert that we're in. It was like 109 degrees during the peak of the day. Thankfully we were inside and unfortunately we had to go back outside very quickly because those were very fast series, weren't they, Badger? [00:26:06] Speaker B: Yeah, Very, very quick series. I mean, what. It was a total of less than 4. 4 hours of game time between the two games. The two series collectively. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, absolutely. A game time itself. It was like under two hours. I wanted to say, like in game. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Well, there was a. Oh, if you're saying combined. Combined. Yeah. No, because it was like 32, 24, 29, 42. Yeah, it's. Yeah. No, the. The TL C9 series. When. When do we get concerned about C9? [00:26:47] Speaker A: I guess right fucking now, like immediately. [00:26:49] Speaker B: Are we still. [00:26:52] Speaker A: Yes, we are actively, Actively crying about how much they choke every time. I was right on my predictions and I've never wanted to be more wrong. That was so depressing. How little fight they played after that [00:27:07] Speaker B: game 6 owed or 06 in playoffs is fucking insane. After being fly quest in RON1 after [00:27:15] Speaker A: being like the top team in the the region the entire spring split and then they just go bomb out of the upper bracket, bomb out of the lower bracket and they're out. Six losses in a row. Three in the finals weekend to kick things off. And I think it was the whole team falling apart. It was. I can't even like point my finger at one specific person. I would say Thanatos arguably was the one keeping it together the most. But we see the exact same weaknesses with Blabber that we've seen all split where he will just see an angle to go in when the team is not there. To follow him up and he don't care. He don't wait for nobody. He will go in when he is ready to go in. And then Apa also had a very, very bad series. I think maybe if you point the finger it would be at Apa just because of how many individual mistakes he made. Specifically, people point out his game three on the twisted fate where he has an oopsie in the top lane, pulls out a red card instead of a gold card and is not able to secure a kill. But I would even say like back to game one on the anivia that first gank from Jose mid first of all they up lease in. So some teams have just said we're going to ban Lee Sin every game. [00:28:33] Speaker B: They're like, you know what, we can go into it and just. Just try and pick around it and abuse it. Yeah. [00:28:39] Speaker A: Or there's the theory that you let them have it and then they can't play it for the rest of the series. If you lose that first game, whatever, you don't have to keep abandoning the lease in. That makes a certain amount of sense. What doesn't make sense is how often they just miscalculated what Lee Sin can do in a fight like that first gank mid lane Apa has flash. He's playing Anivia. He choose not flash back to his turret because he just kind of assumes I. I imagine he assumes that he's gonna live. But Jose gets two rotations of his Q gets the execute gets the the first blood and then consistently throughout the rest of the team fights. AP's positioning is just rough. Jose runs over them and shows why you kind of have to ban the lease in from team Liquid side. They look so much better dude. Specifically quid like Quidditch gets another player of the series. I believe he got player of the series from this if I remember correctly. [00:29:33] Speaker B: I think. Do you happen to remember offhand I I thought so. Let me check real fast. [00:29:41] Speaker A: Specifically for his game too because the yone 8010 he had another highlight quid play on yone where he gets a three man ulti and in the top river and like completely turns a play after. I would argue like C9 had kind of positive drafts in arguably all three games. I like their draft a lot in games of 1 and 2 specifically into what team Liquid have drafted. I think that team Liquid picking Jose Deoda the trundle in game two was like a little troll, no pun intended. And we saw him get punished at the like early levels when Thanatos Runs down and invades him and kills him. But then after that, they just like Cloud nine again. Blabber just going way too deep. The team not able to follow him up, which is shocking considering it's a zigs in a. In a rumble that like should be able to follow up a J4 Engage, but they just never were able to like kill anybody that blabber jumped on top of. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:41] Speaker A: And then game three was just, you know, again, better team fighting from Team Liquid. All three games, it came down to Team Liquid just team fighting better. [00:30:49] Speaker B: So the. The answer to your question is yes. Quid got player of the series for all three series that they won. [00:30:59] Speaker A: That's crazy, dude. His glow up right before the grand finals. Incredible. And then in the grand finals. We can talk about that in a bit. But first, any. Any of your thoughts, Anything come to mind when you think Team Liquid C9 either on the Team Liquid side or the C9. [00:31:14] Speaker B: Okay. Game three is the most boring stomp I've ever watched in my entire life. Yeah, just gameplay. I mean, first off, C9 rolled over and just died this series. Like, there's no ifs, ands or buts about it considering they got eight kills and six turrets between three games. [00:31:44] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:31:44] Speaker B: When you put it into perspective like that, TL just owning the map in game three, being 10 steps ahead of T, ahead of C9, just unable to get anything on the map. You know, in a comp that it's like, okay, we want to brawl. We've got investor Sijuani, swift fate for the crowd control. And then Yunara Lulu, you know, oh, we want to get to objectives, we want to fight. And then it just doesn't matter. TLs there, they have dive bomb comp. They've got a safe back line. You're just unable to kill the front line. Unable to get to the back line with a. With the style that C9 had. It's just. It's just rough. You. I saw it. I'm like, okay, maybe they. Maybe they have a chance to win a game. Maybe. Maybe a gentleman sweep will be what this is at this point. And then it just doesn't matter. It didn't matter. It was. [00:32:36] Speaker A: Did not matter. [00:32:38] Speaker B: It was just over. At that point. They. I mean, congratulations, C9. You. You've earned a fully funded boot camp at MSI from Riot. But you're not playing at MSI. Like, maybe. Maybe the three weeks in Korea during MSI will do them wonders, or maybe it's just gonna make this worse. Who knows? We won't know until summer at this point. So yeah, it's. [00:33:03] Speaker A: It's a brutal position for C9 to be in because I don't think it's possible to make a change going into summer that will put you in a better position to make worlds. Who a lot of people are talking about like, oh, they have to make a change. Like, what change are they gonna make? And I'm thinking, I don't think you could possibly do unless it's maybe just grab like an LCK Challenger 80 carry and slot them in. Maybe that could work. But like they need to replace Bot Lane. [00:33:33] Speaker B: I. [00:33:33] Speaker A: At this point, I think they need to replace Blabber and then arguable strong argument you replace apa. I still see the potential of a player like APA if you get the roster around him, but I. I also think that there's a lot of valid criticism for how poorly he plays in the high pressure. A lot of their highest pressure games, APA is up. [00:33:52] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:33:54] Speaker A: So strong arguments for three different players. The only ones that I would say for sure keep are Vulcan and Thanatos. I think the Vulcan and Thanatos still been playing very well. [00:34:02] Speaker B: I think that. I think there's no shot that they're able to make the changes necessary and they're just gonna have to stick it. I mean, they're. Maybe it'll be the. The TL run where. God, what was it? The TL 2018 run or no 2017 run when they picked up Doublelift as the mercenary right before franchising and they said, oh yeah, have I ever told you this one? [00:34:28] Speaker A: Well, I, I was thinking even more the recent team Liquid where they put APA in. In the mid lane or. Or Fly Quest, I suppose when they dropped Jensen for quad. Yeah, well, there's a few examples where teams have done that. [00:34:39] Speaker B: And so tl, the split that they were going split before franchising. They were in relegation and the team was just like, none of us are going to talk to each other again after this point. We all hate each other's guts. Let's just win this and just get it over with. Let's let the last experience be positive. Pretty much. And they. Yep, they did. They ended up, you know, making it through and going into the partnership program. But at the same time, yeah, like they should make worlds based on the position where they're in at this point. But at the same time, how meaningful is that going to be for this team? [00:35:19] Speaker A: And even then it's going to be tough because Fly Quest are nipping. At the heels. Dude. Like this Fly Quest roster has been getting better. And so that's the heat is that they get second place in lock in tournament when only one team goes to the first stand. They get third place in spring where only two teams go to MSI and FlyQuest is hitting their stride. They might get fourth place in summer where top three go to Worlds. That would be a heartbreaking season for C9 and a heartbreaking season for C9 fans who at this point kind of carrying the league in a way. Like by far they were the most represented at finals weekend in the stadium to the point where this one of my favorite moments of the entire weekend. They were loudly booing Team Liquid during the walkouts. Like C9 were the face. TL were the heel of that lower bracket finals. And then TL smashes them 30 and it's just brutal. And I feel for the C9 fans. I wish that they had gotten a better show. Even if you lose, you hope you at least get a game. Did not look like that. So I think C9 fans, come on, they need something, man. They need a reason to believe. [00:36:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:37] Speaker A: Any other final thoughts? Any, any closing arguments or closing statements for, for this series? [00:36:41] Speaker B: Is there a world where they just call Navi up and just say hey, how much for Poby right now? [00:36:47] Speaker A: Oh God. They do have an imports a lot of it. [00:36:51] Speaker B: Like oh, oh. [00:36:54] Speaker A: I mean not a 0% chance it could happen. [00:36:57] Speaker B: I, I, yeah, I'm not floating anything out there. Don't, don't, don't worry. I'm not gonna report on anything because you know, I have no sources on this. But that would be, that'd be great. Just, you know, Apa changes scenery. Poby come over and try and save the remnants of this team. [00:37:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I think APA on a team like, like DSG could be pretty fun. Could you imagine like Serdi Cryra Apa just the NA boys. Yeah, said Jed and then shout out Lions who's just kind of hanging out there with them. Could be fun roster. We'll see what happens in the future. Of course all that is just conjecture, but I think that C9 making a change in the summer would be a bold move. Could happen at least in this off season. I think they have to make drastic changes. I think it's like a blow up the roster and try over again. Yeah, Team Liquid go on to the finals looking solid in the in the move. But then finals happen and it's another freaking sweep. God damn lion are just that good. Yeah, I'm Yeah, yeah. So. So what was your first, like, reaction to game one draft? Because I actually had a pretty strong reaction, and then I made a prediction, and then it was pretty much correct throughout the series. But I'm curious if you had a similar, like, real fast realization. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Hold on. I feel like it's gonna. [00:38:32] Speaker A: Well, while you. [00:38:34] Speaker B: Go ahead. Go ahead, say you're okay while you [00:38:36] Speaker A: pull it up, I'm just gonna give mine. Game one, Saint drafts a colleague. Yes. Quid had been making a name for himself on a collie. He's been getting back onto the melee, bruiser, Assassins in the mid lane. And in game one, Saint locks it in and styles. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Yeah, oh, yeah. No, it was a fantastic performance. [00:38:58] Speaker A: Quid plays Orianna. Saint plays a Collie. Game two, Saint plays LeBlanc. Quid plays Cassiopeia. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Fuck it, Pygmy LeBlanc at that point. And I was just like, fuck it. [00:39:09] Speaker A: Pick me, LeBlanc. Exactly. Assassin. AP assassin in the mid lane. Kind of a pokey champion as well. Quid is playing Cassiopeia, not quad. That's Quid playing Cassiopeia. [00:39:20] Speaker B: Quad. Quid. [00:39:21] Speaker A: Game three, Saint is on Galio. So melee, but not an assassin. Quid's on Victor. Team Liquid put Quid on a ranged control mage all three games after he had just been smashing winning player of the series. Three series in a row, specializing on melee assassins. I think that this was a disgusting pivot in draft from Team Liquid. And I have no idea why they did it. Does not make sense to me in the slightest that they would make. They would put quit on these picks after what he had just been showing on his. His yone, his Akali, his Silas, I was gonna say. [00:39:56] Speaker B: I mean, I know the. I know the Orianna was on the two, so you can't really be like, oh, okay, well, you know, Oriana was on there too. And then Nikali was immediately the counter pick into it. But at the same time, how many times did they get counter pick for. For Saint, too? So, like, I. I think every game he got counter picked. So, like, why aren't you trusting your guy who's a former MVP who's been player of the series every series that you've been winning at this point? It. It's very confusing to me. I'll just say that. Yeah, no, I noticed that as well. I was like. Because I'm like, I feel. Because you said something, I'm like, am I missing something? Like, am I missing, like, Sejuani with no melees or something like that, but no. Yeah, just. Just playing control mages over and over again for Quid, especially when you want him and Jose to be running the map. Especially against a duo like Satan. Inspired, but by God, Satan looked great all of playoffs. [00:41:05] Speaker A: 100%. He gets MVP of the Finals. Well deserved. He was my vote. He was the majority of the broadcast vote. Saint played out of his mind. Berserker and Isles also stepped the up. They had some very, very convincing laning phases. Dokla was just his classic Dokla self, where he's just kind of a rock against Morgan in the top lane. And then Inspired. Inspired. He's just gonna outdo it. [00:41:30] Speaker B: How? Dokla just showed up. Yep. [00:41:33] Speaker A: He did in fact, kidney out Dokla. And it's just like seeing the fight in real time. Both of these series we just saw in real time. Game one be close, Game two be a little dicey, and game three be a stomp. Game two of this one in particular, insane attempts from Jose Dioto. He gets four objective steals in a row. Lion are on Dragon soul point. And Jose steals the Dragon. It's like, okay, sure. Well, lion will just get the next one and still win anyway. Then he steals the next Dragon. You're like, oh, that's kind of funny. He got two in a row. Wow, this game's going longer than we expected. But they get wiped at the team fight. There's no way that they can steal the bear. And a minute later, oh, my God. Jose gets in the pit and steals the Baron and then the next Dragon as well. He steals three Dragons and a Baron. Back to back to back to back. And it's not enough because that final dragon steel, they have to throw all their bodies at it just to get the steel. And then they instantly lose the fight and the game's over regardless. But, like, you got to give credit to Jose for trying this guy. If. If MVP votes, if the MVP award also encapsulated playoffs, I think Jose would get it. It's only a regular season award, so Vulcan got it. But Jose, I know, was up there in the votes, very high. A lot of people are talking about him too. And if you look at the damage done in playoffs, I think Jose did far more than Vulcan and should get the award, but it's a regular season award, so we can't do that. But, like, yeah, it's just funny to think, like, how impactful he was in the wins and then even in the losses, how hard he was trying. Get Jose some stable laners, dude. God damn. [00:43:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:15] Speaker A: So what do we Think about Lion then lion were able to sweep it. How confident are you in them? Staring down bracket stage of msi [00:43:27] Speaker B: knowing all the teams that we have at this point, just based on the initial reactions, I think. I think I would put them. Them in G2 is like 4A, 4B I would say. I think, I think they. I think they split the gap between like that BLG T1 tier and top esports. [00:44:02] Speaker A: I. I would hope that in the bracket stage because it's double elim bracket, I would hope that they win a series. I fully expect them to win a series. If they don't win in the upper bracket and they drop to the lower bracket, I expect them to be able to beat one of the other lower bracket teams. Unless they get just like giga unlucky and play because they could get hle round. Yeah, there's a chance they get hle round one and then if they like played against, I don't know, top esports or something in the lower bracket because top gets knocked out by T1 or something like that. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:44:35] Speaker A: That could be unlucky. But I again, I feel like they should be better than. [00:44:42] Speaker B: I think. I think they're better. I think, I think both. Just as a. Just as a kind of a spoiler for next week, I think G2 and Lion both are better than top esports right now. [00:44:58] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. [00:45:00] Speaker B: I'm. I'm not a huge fan. I know, I know Mazel or Yanni would go to bat for him in and. Well, naturally, naturally we could talk about it next week. But like, I. I don't know. I'm just not as convinced. I think. I think they have holes in their game and they could be exploited. But, but you know, that's a conversation for next week when we do our primer for msi. [00:45:23] Speaker A: Exactly. But in general, I think that lion should be better than Furia and Team Secret. Well, and I think that yeah, like a top esports or a G2 could also be within striking distance of them. [00:45:37] Speaker B: So G2, G2 versus Lion would be a fascinating series for me because it would be. [00:45:43] Speaker A: It would be very. Style. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Saint plays the style that Caps has been playing for years and has perfected at this point for a western player. So I'm really curious. [00:45:55] Speaker A: Got a really good head to head record versus EU teams. So that's also fun. [00:45:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh no, it's so exciting. [00:46:03] Speaker A: But yeah, that'll. That'll mark the end of the LCS spring split. Lion take the entire split 3. [00:46:09] Speaker B: 0. [00:46:10] Speaker A: Some very fun moments this weekend. That were not about the games themselves. Mostly about the crowd and the energy in the LCS right now. I still feel the passion in the fandom anytime we get a roadshow. And thank God we actually got a roadshow for spring this time. One other bit of information was announced during the Finals. I didn't put it in the news segment because I guess it could have gone to the news. But we'll just talk about now because we're talking about the split. Mark Z announced that summer split will have their finals in Atlanta. [00:46:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:46:39] Speaker A: First weekend of October. So it's gonna be a very late summer split. Worlds is also gonna be going later this year than typical. It's gonna be like second weekend of November. I'm pretty sure is like, supposed to be the Finals. I don't remember if that's just something I saw. If that's. [00:46:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:56] Speaker A: Either way, it's gonna be like a little later expected. And summer split is gonna be in Atlanta first weekend of October. Pretty cool that we get another roadshow. And then Cloud Sid Key also did an interview with Mark Z. Who he was very coy. He didn't really give any information, but he said. Said there could be more surprises or more announcements in the summer split. So maybe we get more fun stuff. Whether it's like activations at the Riot arena or it's potentially other things. All that's been announced officially is the Atlanta Roadshow. Yeah, there we go. Lion and Team Liquid going to msi. Team Liquid on a technicality, I suppose, as they will probably not make it out of plans. But it. That is it for the LCS spring split. MSI is right around the corner and we'll have our primer episode next week to talk about all the teams attending and our expectations for each one. But with that said, it's still a relatively short episode. Badger. So we're gonna have some fun and do a little draft game at the end. [00:48:03] Speaker B: We'll do. We're doing a visual bit on an audio medium, so let's fucking. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Hell. Yeah, we are. [00:48:08] Speaker B: All right, let me. [00:48:09] Speaker A: This was a pitch that you gave on a previous week. You said that we should do this on an episode. I said, hell yeah, we'll just find the right one. But what exactly are we doing? [00:48:16] Speaker B: So I. I recently fell down a rabbit hole. There was a website that came out called 82 and oh, where you try and draft basket like NBA players from certain decades to make a team to go 82 and oh, there's a baseball version. There's a football version. My sports Brain took over and I of fallen deep into the rut of it. And then this thing called golden road popped up and I got pinged about it last week and I'm like, okay, I'll take a look into it. And I have been sitting. I sat there for a long time trying to get a golden road and I finally did the team that I had. Let me read it to you, Kangas, just because. [00:48:57] Speaker A: Okay. [00:48:59] Speaker B: The team that I had the baseline for this was 2024 bin top lane, 2015 rain over in the jungle, 2013 XPEKE in mid lane and 2013. 2013 Uzi is the ad carry and then 2023 carrier as the support. Jesus. [00:49:21] Speaker A: That's an insane roster. [00:49:23] Speaker B: So the one that everyone was like, jesus, how did this team get 12th at Worlds was 2018 con, 2017ambition, 2013 faker, 2015 deft, and 2019 crisp. So it. It's difficult. I'm so excited for you to experience this, so I'm gonna share my screen with you real fast. Hold on. We'll pull it back up. So. [00:49:47] Speaker A: And so for anybody who's still a little confused on the rules, it will give us a. A team, a roster and a. [00:49:54] Speaker B: Or a team, a region, a team in a year. So it'll be a few parameters. So it's only teams that made international competition. So you don't have to worry about getting like 2013 teammate. Like, good luck with that. [00:50:08] Speaker A: Thank God. [00:50:09] Speaker B: Take golden glue. [00:50:10] Speaker A: At that point, no dignitas player will be in sight. [00:50:12] Speaker B: Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. So, all right, cool. The first team, Kangas. Oh, is. Is 2024 T1. Do you want Zayu's top lane odor jungle faker, mid lane, guma yushi as your ad carry. Carry out your support or do you want to re roll the region, Re roll the team or re roll the year? [00:50:37] Speaker A: You know, there's better T1 rosters. Let's re roll the year. Now. We're gonna. We're gonna keep this, all of this, and let's just think of which player I want. Which player do you feel like I'm going? I feel like I'm on carrier. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Okay. [00:50:51] Speaker A: Because, like, this is not the best version of faker. [00:50:54] Speaker B: Yes, it's. [00:50:55] Speaker A: It's guma yushi or carrier. But I feel like in terms of supports, this is arguably the best other than maybe like barrel 2022. If it was barrel 22, that's like the only other support that I would say is like, up there. You. [00:51:07] Speaker B: You didn't experience 2014 bada, you would. [00:51:11] Speaker A: I guess I did. [00:51:11] Speaker B: 2014 is the epitome of the peak of support play and in the career of like, in the history of League of legends, like 24, 25 carry is number two, I would say. So that's a very good pick. [00:51:23] Speaker A: Okay, well, I'm still going. Oh, speaking of T1. Oh, my God. [00:51:27] Speaker B: So the year is 2017 and we got T1. So that's for anybody who's not, you know, able to see the screen, which is everybody huni top lane, and then you either have peanut or blank in the jungle, Faker, mid lane and Bang, 80 carry. [00:51:43] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:51:44] Speaker B: I, I know who I would take in this situation. [00:51:48] Speaker A: Okay, so this one's interesting because again, I, my gut says faker, but this was the year they didn't win. This was the year. [00:51:57] Speaker B: The one that they lost to Samsung in the finals. [00:52:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:03] Speaker B: So [00:52:06] Speaker A: I still feel like Faker was really good in the storm, but what is this the one that he gets picked in the mid lane? [00:52:13] Speaker B: Yeah, the, the unkillable Demon King. And it goes down and rulers. [00:52:20] Speaker A: He gets hit by the Varys alt. Was that, that's the, that's the Flash. Various. [00:52:24] Speaker B: This one? Yes. [00:52:26] Speaker A: Oh, man. So that makes it tough because I feel like if I don't know how it scores, like, I mean, I don't [00:52:32] Speaker B: know how it scores either. Yeah, I told you, I, I, I didn't win world. I got 12th at Worlds with the, Whatever the roster was. The second one that I said, you know, three minutes ago. [00:52:41] Speaker A: So maybe it's peanut. Oh, my God. This is a tough one. All right, I'm going faker. I'm locking in faker. I, I feel like I've been given faker too many times to not take it. [00:52:55] Speaker B: All right, next up, 2023, golden guardians from the LCS. Do you want to reroll the region? Reroll the team? Team or. Well, I guess you can't reroll the air. [00:53:05] Speaker A: Well, I mean, river is an option here. [00:53:08] Speaker B: So the options at this point, because we already have mid and support, are licorice, top lane, river in the jungle, or stick. Say, is your ad carry. [00:53:18] Speaker A: So what the hell happens if I reroll region? Does it also re roll the team? [00:53:22] Speaker B: It rerolls the team. Yes. So it rerolls the region and the team, but it's still 2023. [00:53:28] Speaker A: Still saying 2023. [00:53:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:29] Speaker A: Okay, but if I change, if I reroll the team, what else do we have in LCS? [00:53:32] Speaker B: 20 energy, C9. [00:53:36] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:53:37] Speaker B: 2023 energy. [00:53:41] Speaker A: I could hunt for contracts. [00:53:44] Speaker B: You want contracts for your job. I mean, it's. It's your call. You're running the show right now, my guy. I'm just. I'm just your advisor. [00:53:52] Speaker A: I think we rerolled team because. Yeah, yeah, let's reroll team. I think the reroll regional. Okay, we got energy, so we got energy contracts. [00:54:01] Speaker B: FBI don't click contracts. FBI. Yeah. Bad. [00:54:03] Speaker A: Ooh, God. That's actually tough. I kind of want. I. I feel like this is about 33% for all of them. [00:54:15] Speaker B: Let's go. [00:54:16] Speaker A: This was before Nio Dos though, so let's go. Give me contracts. Lock in contracts for me. [00:54:27] Speaker B: Okay. Hey, look at that. 2023 energy again. Do you want to re roll the region? Re ro or pick Dokla or FBI? [00:54:38] Speaker A: Wait, they made it a different year? [00:54:41] Speaker B: Yes. [00:54:42] Speaker A: Would that have been like 2014 or some BS? [00:54:45] Speaker B: No, it wouldn't be 2014 actually. No, it'd be 2015. [00:54:50] Speaker A: 2015. What was Energy's roster in 2015? [00:54:54] Speaker B: Impact was the top laner for that team. Oh. [00:54:59] Speaker A: Oh, that's kind of funny. Yeah. Let's re roll a year. [00:55:03] Speaker B: Give me impact or 2016. Sorry, 2016. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Give me impact, top later. [00:55:08] Speaker B: Okay. Oh, look at that. Oh, okay. No. T1 2013 and your only option is Piglet. So you can. I could have gotten Impact Top Blade [00:55:21] Speaker A: from his World's year if I. [00:55:25] Speaker B: No, [00:55:29] Speaker A: I don't think I'm gonna re roll the region. I don't think it's worth it. This is gonna be bad. [00:55:34] Speaker B: But I'm just gonna say. I'm just gonna say this. So your other options for AD if you reroll the region would be like Uzi or actually doublelift. Wouldn't be on this list. You know what? I think Piglet might be your better option. [00:55:48] Speaker A: Lock in Piglet. I don't think it's gonna get better than Piglet. [00:55:51] Speaker B: Okay. [00:55:52] Speaker A: This is awful. [00:55:53] Speaker B: So. Oh, no. So to round it out, it's 2016 impact, 2023 contracts, 2017 faker. 2020 or 2013 piglet and 2024 carrier. We got third place in split one. We did not qualify to first stand one, split two. Congratulations. Got fifth at MSI, got second and split three and got ninth at Worlds. [00:56:14] Speaker A: Didn't even top eight at World. That's disastrous. [00:56:17] Speaker B: Let's try this again. Now that you. Now that you've got the unders. Oh, God. Your first team is 2015 Origin, which is Soaz, Top Lane, Amazing Jungle, Xpeke, Mid Lane, Neil's aka Sven, AD Carry, and Mithy is your support. Do you want to Reroll the region. [00:56:39] Speaker A: If I reroll year but I keep origin, then I could get primex Becke, right? Or was this prime Expect no, primex was. [00:56:47] Speaker B: You would not. I. I'm a keep it a buck fifty with you, big dog. You don't want to reroll the year on this team. [00:56:55] Speaker A: Let's reroll region. I don't think I want LEC for 2015. [00:56:58] Speaker B: Okay, 20. [00:56:59] Speaker A: This is 20. [00:57:00] Speaker B: 2015 T1. [00:57:01] Speaker A: So that's pretty. [00:57:02] Speaker B: Martin, top lane, big lock it in faker. Okay. Okay, man from 2050. [00:57:09] Speaker A: I know bang and wolf are options, [00:57:11] Speaker B: but I don't mean to steer Marin. [00:57:15] Speaker A: Well, how about this would be yours then? [00:57:17] Speaker B: If. [00:57:17] Speaker A: If. Oh, you want to show me how it's done? [00:57:19] Speaker B: All right. [00:57:20] Speaker A: So lock in Mario. [00:57:21] Speaker B: So Martin, top lane. Oh, hey, look at that. 20, 22 T1. [00:57:27] Speaker A: I mean, turns out T1 were on a lot of owner. [00:57:30] Speaker B: Owner was just a chad back then. Okay, so 2018 C9. This team famously bombed out. [00:57:36] Speaker A: No, 2018 C9 was the one that got. [00:57:39] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. No, that's right. They. They made semi. I still like. [00:57:43] Speaker A: This is pretty good. I feel like. I think 20 this year is pretty good. [00:57:50] Speaker B: I know the one that I would want is. You know what? I'm reroll the team. Oh, fuck. [00:57:59] Speaker A: Oh, this is way worse. [00:58:00] Speaker B: Okay, So I got 2018 optic. It's Poe, mid lane, arrow, ad or big support. I'm just going to take arrow, though. Then I would have gotten Uzi because I got 2018 where I'll never give up. You know what? J. Who and Kellen. Oh, my God. [00:58:18] Speaker A: You actually did decent. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Okay, so it was first place in split one, first place, first stand, first place, split two, fifth at MSI, second in split three, and then 14th at Worlds. Jesus Christ. All right. [00:58:27] Speaker A: Funnily enough, my team rating was higher. [00:58:29] Speaker B: I had 88. [00:58:30] Speaker A: You had an 87 team rating. [00:58:32] Speaker B: Okay. [00:58:33] Speaker A: Okay. One more. I. I want to do one more, and I'm going to pick the team. [00:58:35] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, sounds good. Okay. [00:58:37] Speaker A: Okay. LEC G2, 20, 24. Okay. So broken blade. Yike Caps, Hansama, Mickey. Let's go caps. I'll. I'll lock in caps. I'm happy with the caps. Mid Lane, LCK, Samsung White, 2014 Looper, Dandai Imp and Lock In. Ma, baby, let's go. [00:58:58] Speaker B: Yeah. No, Ma is definitely the play. [00:59:00] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [00:59:01] Speaker B: Okay. 2013 Dignitas. Let's go. [00:59:04] Speaker A: I could get. I'm a cutie pie. [00:59:08] Speaker B: Do you want to reroll the region or do you want to reroll the team? We're Going to reroll Bjergsen's not on TSM at this point. Just as a heads up for you. [00:59:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Let's reroll region. I don't want LCS in 2013. [00:59:20] Speaker B: Oh hey, look at that. 2013 Fnatic. So. So as cyanide push you so you could reroll the team or you could reroll the year if you want. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Reroll the year. Reroll the year. If we get like the. Oh no worse. [00:59:37] Speaker B: You can get Peke top lane. It's 2011 fanatic. [00:59:40] Speaker A: Expect tops. Yeah. [00:59:42] Speaker B: 2011 expecting he technically won a world championship this year. Ooh. 2017 mortals. [00:59:48] Speaker A: Do you want Dardoch, Cody Son or Dardoch or you can reroll team. If I could have gotten Flame. Yeah. What else do we have in LCS in 2017? [00:59:59] Speaker B: TSM had and C9 double is not on TL yet. Core is still in Korea. [01:00:12] Speaker A: It. No, there's no way Dardoch will get us there. There's no way. [01:00:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:16] Speaker A: Let's re roll team. [01:00:17] Speaker B: Okay. Tsm. [01:00:18] Speaker A: So we had tsm. Give me double left. [01:00:20] Speaker B: Okay. [01:00:21] Speaker A: Or Spence Karen actually I mean. Oh, we got 2016 which is better. Let's go. [01:00:26] Speaker B: Oh my God. [01:00:30] Speaker A: So it's might surprise you. [01:00:31] Speaker B: I feel first, second, second and then [01:00:34] Speaker A: 12th at Worlds and it's the same team rating. Yeah, that's pretty funny. [01:00:38] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk through one more. Oh God. [01:00:42] Speaker A: Okay. This is the Last 1. [01:00:43] Speaker B: Rogue 2020. Gotta go. Inspired Samsung Blue in 2014. Ooh. You know deft is near and dear to my. Actually, you know what? Fuck it. We go deaf for the principle of it. Yep. Okay, Fly Quest, let's reroll the region. Oh G2 2020. We'll take caps. No. 2013 Royal Club [01:01:06] Speaker A: reroll year. [01:01:07] Speaker B: Well, do I want Tab as my support or do I want. Do I want Cole as my top laner? I guess is the only thing that I'm thinking of at this point. Ta really great coach actually. You know what he was. He's really good. Oh, 20 from DRX 2022. Yeah. And this team gets 14th worlds because this game sucks. And I have an 87. This is insane. [01:01:30] Speaker A: Yeah, back to back I had higher team ratings. That's crazy. All right, fun game. Where can people find it? [01:01:37] Speaker B: Goldenrode LOL.com is is where Golden Road Lolcom. [01:01:42] Speaker A: Go check it out. It's super fun. I'm gonna be playing some more of that today for sure. Now that I know how simple it is. And maybe I I'll get a team of all LCS players. I think that'd be super fun. [01:01:52] Speaker B: Fun. Congrats on getting 16th at Worlds. [01:01:56] Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. All right, well, that's going to be it for this week's episode. Thanks, everybody, for tuning in. It was a very disappointing LCS finals weekend in terms of game quality, but fantastic in terms of crowd and fans. Cheer on your teams at msi, whether you're an LEC fan or an LCS fan. We'll talk more about MSI next week's episode. But for this episode, Badger, if people wanted to leave a review, how many stars would you Recommend they leave? [01:02:24] Speaker B: 5. For how many disappointments I get after doing Golden Road and getting teams messed up the entire time. So five stars. [01:02:33] Speaker A: Okay, five stars for Badger being disappointed that he's bad at drafting teams. And also, just remember that wherever you are listening to this podcast, we love you and we'll see you next time. [01:02:46] Speaker B: Goodbye, everyone. [01:02:50] Speaker A: Oh, yes, Daddy.