League Rundown - Episode 569: Best MSI ever

[00:00:13] Speaker A: Gets a little too far here, he's. [00:00:14] Speaker B: Gonna have to try and get himself out. [00:00:15] Speaker A: Let me go. [00:00:16] Speaker B: Tillery and the rest of the shots of fire. [00:00:17] Speaker C: Zion is just killing the next Zion can eat it single handedly win the. [00:00:22] Speaker B: Game by game by game by game by. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Should be. Oh my God. [00:00:28] Speaker B: Stupid passes through and manages to the table with Messiah tanking it up. [00:00:34] Speaker C: I do not believe. [00:00:35] Speaker A: He just believe. [00:00:42] Speaker B: I cannot understand this game. Unicorns of love. [00:00:48] Speaker C: It wasn't a mutant. [00:00:50] Speaker B: The Nexus. [00:01:07] Speaker C: Hello and welcome to episode 569 of the League Rundown. This is your 2025 MSI review episode and it's lovingly entitled Best MSI Ever. TM soon. Something like that. I'm your host, Kangas and Joining me are two esteemed co hosts. Up first, Mr. Mazelpl. [00:01:27] Speaker B: First of all. Nice. Yes, yes, I agree. Best MSI ever. [00:01:32] Speaker C: I. Okay. The only reason I added like at the end was because CLG didn't make finals in this msi. Otherwise happen. [00:01:40] Speaker B: I'm sorry. [00:01:41] Speaker C: Otherwise, Absolutely. Best MSI ever. I think in terms of just excitement and how close a lot of those series. But also joining us on the podcast today, Mr. Vancouver himself showing us around town and his family's restaurant. We got rmc. [00:01:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I would argue this is the best MSI ever. Not only was it close, we didn't get CLGs, but we got BLG playing quite a few games. So next best man over. [00:02:05] Speaker C: True, true. I actually ran into. Oh yeah, what was that? [00:02:10] Speaker B: No, no, go ahead, go ahead. [00:02:11] Speaker C: I was just gonna say I ran into some fans that like made a BLG sign, but they disguised it to be clg. It looked like blg and it was like the same font, but it said clg. And they showed it to me. They're like, check it out. We're gonna get it on stream. [00:02:24] Speaker B: All I'm saying is that Riot has deprived us of this format for too many years and that we finally get it and it's a banger. What if all the other ones were this? But I'm happy. [00:02:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that this was the most satisfying format for an international ever. I know that we've. We've done double Elim a few times now, but man, was this just. [00:02:47] Speaker B: Satisfying is a strong word. King is satisfying. [00:02:50] Speaker A: Why are you not strong enough? [00:02:53] Speaker C: Satisfying in the sense that EU is the worst region in the world. That's confirmed. [00:02:58] Speaker B: I'll. [00:02:58] Speaker C: I'll agree with that. [00:02:59] Speaker B: Satisfaction final. Not as much. [00:03:03] Speaker C: Yeah, that was tough. Before we get into all of that though, we do have just A couple of news pieces to get through that happened. Also, I know that we didn't get the full episode out last week. We. I was trying to figure out some way to do it while I was traveling for msi. Didn't work out. This is gonna be a shorter episode as well. Just because I was traveling for a Yu Gi oh tournament this past weekend. And this is a busy week for me too. Along with everybody. I mean LPL starting up here soon for. For Mazel. [00:03:28] Speaker B: Literally this weekend. [00:03:29] Speaker C: Literally this weekend. So we're gonna be doing mostly kind of high coverage stuff rail MSI here. [00:03:36] Speaker B: What was that, another 51 days straight? [00:03:40] Speaker C: Actually, I do not envy you. But to get to the news topics, a couple roster news things happened this past week. Everybody have a round of applause for Maple duping us again. That retirement lasted like two weeks and he is back. Welcome back Maple. And I don't actually remember when was that? Last year in the off season. [00:04:03] Speaker B: Literally this off season. [00:04:05] Speaker C: So. So it was like pretty short lived in terms of retirements. Go. Does anybody have an insight into this rmc? I know that you sometimes keep your pulse like the LCP and what's going on over there, but I just feel like this guy retires and comes back so often. [00:04:17] Speaker A: I don't. [00:04:18] Speaker B: I'm trying to remember if she's only done it once. [00:04:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I think he's only done it. [00:04:21] Speaker C: I thought he did it one other time at least. [00:04:23] Speaker A: No, no, not that I can. [00:04:26] Speaker B: I'm 100 sure. Yeah. [00:04:28] Speaker C: Okay. All right. Well maybe I'm just gaslighting everybody in. In the. In the audience then. But either way he is back. So you just can heat Maple down. He wants to get back into competitive play and he's going back to PSG Talons. So we'll see if that helps elevate them back into relevance because they were not able to make it to MSI representation for the lcp. [00:04:48] Speaker A: Well, I think that's interesting too because it is PSG talent again. That was the other big news for that particular team that they've re partnered with psg. [00:04:58] Speaker C: Paris Saint Germain is back and that means I do. Do we get the new logo or the old logo? I guess. [00:05:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I believe so. [00:05:07] Speaker C: Using the like claw. [00:05:08] Speaker B: They've already. [00:05:08] Speaker C: Okay. [00:05:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's on their Twitter. [00:05:10] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that logo. I think that logo is really cool. So I'm happy to have that one back. I like. Once they changed, what was it? Just Talon, I think. [00:05:17] Speaker B: Right? [00:05:18] Speaker C: Yeah, it was just like the hawk looking thing. It was okay, but like yeah, dude, the. The PSG logo is classic. So actually that'll be fun. And again we'll wait to see if that means that they can maybe make a push for worlds or to your. [00:05:29] Speaker A: Question Kangas about why Maple might have come back. This is unconfirmed, but Fofo apparently might be having some health issues as well. Fofo was Talons mid laner who was also sort of a younger player who was. Well, he's not a younger player I guess, but one. [00:05:46] Speaker B: He is not a younger player, but. [00:05:48] Speaker A: He'S newer, I guess to the ocp. Yeah. Okay. That's where he was before then. Yeah, but he's kind of newer to the lcp. He used to play, I think back in on J team. I want to say it was way back in the day and then went to the LPL and now he was back. So he was actually one of the better mid laners last split. So I think he might be having health issues is what rumors are saying. And so that might be why Talon went back to Maple again because he's always been the leader. [00:06:16] Speaker B: I do not have many nice things to say about Fofo as a human being. [00:06:19] Speaker C: Oh wow. I have heard some rough stories. [00:06:23] Speaker B: He is a person of all time and I will leave it at that. If you want to do your own research, go look it up. He is literally one of the worst people in all of esports and I. I don't wish the health issues on him, but I am glad he is not playing anymore. [00:06:36] Speaker A: Okay. [00:06:37] Speaker C: Yeah. So we'll see if that is enough to bring PSG back into international relevance as there should be three seeds for the LCP going into that tournament. So one more opportunity for them. Also a couple of roster shakeups over in the lec specific, specifically with sk. They have a lot going on here, lot of changes. Rmc, we were covering it earlier or talking before going live and you were like I don't recognize a lot of these names. Names. [00:07:05] Speaker A: Yeah, they've got GNX and Bukata and Rikur who are going out and then they've got TNDN who I'm not familiar with coming in Skin. Skins. [00:07:18] Speaker C: Skins, Yep. So Skins has been around in the past, but DNDN is coming in from. He was playing in Korea on Nongshim Academy and then Nongshim Red Force and kind of like subbing in from from what I can see on the leaguepedia page and then played in Emeas for Eternal from January up until now and just got signed by sk. So he has been In Europe in the emea playing for one of the tier two teams. But now, yeah, picked up by. By sk. So we'll see if Korean top laner coming in here is going to help them out. The big one is that Abadaga has found. [00:07:57] Speaker A: Sorry, never heard of this guy. [00:08:02] Speaker B: ABBA finding a bag Somehow guy. [00:08:07] Speaker C: Get replaced by Dark Wings in na find a starting spot. [00:08:12] Speaker B: So flabbergasted. I know I'm coming off with like serious hater energy today already, but man, yeah, it's all good. At least he's in Europe now. [00:08:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember when SK changed their roster. Was it last split or beginning of the split? We're all like, oh wow, this roster, it's not looking great. But you know, there's a lot of potential. [00:08:31] Speaker C: Maybe like, we'll see how like Bukata Kadui coming in. They just won EMEA Masters, so like, you know, maybe they can do something. Yeah, but we all had them pretty. [00:08:39] Speaker A: Low ranked and now it's like they. [00:08:40] Speaker C: Somehow made it worse somehow, but they do. [00:08:45] Speaker B: What's even funnier is Abu Dhabi is going to go over there and he's just going to fucking smurf again. I don't know why it's going to happen. He's just going to do so good. [00:08:52] Speaker C: It's so funny because I actually got a chance to sit down with all of DSG last split before they got knocked out like the weekend before at Abu Daga. He was pretty motivated it seemed, but he, he even said he was like, yeah, I feel like my career ever since like even 100 thieves was just like show up on a team that's struggling, do really well and then somehow bomb out afterwards. It was like it having 100 thieves. Like we won a split, we made finals and then like I struggled. Then I came to EU and like made it to finals and then like struggled and like. So who knows, maybe SK is going to finals again. You know, it could happen. [00:09:26] Speaker A: I hate that Abu Dhabi somehow out NA'd or NA players, you found a way to be near to an airport and get the hell out of reach. [00:09:35] Speaker C: Oh, that's good, that's good. He was the worst performing mid laner in the league and we'll see if he's able to do better over in the lecu, which, you know, typically we think of like EU mid laners as being a more difficult opponents. I think that was more of a past year's narrative than, than current. But yeah, we'll see how he shakes up over there. Speaking of mid laners, there was one other one. I, I mentioned it just before. I don't remember if we've talked about it, but Dark Wings going over to disguised Mizell. We've been covering Dark Wings for years. This guy has been hovering around the Tier two scene. I know Duffy, the previous host of this podcast, was a big fan of him when he would tune into the nacl just because he, he likes Midlanders that make big impact plays. I would say Dark Wings is kind of that like he, he wasn't the mid laner that was smashing lane or like really getting an advantage over his opponent, but you give him a zero, you go to a 45 minute game, he can do cool things. [00:10:29] Speaker B: He's the glue. He, he always finds a way to just bring team comps together and stuff and a lot of times it's through like unique picks. I'll just give the caveat. I do not think he's ready for lta and I think this is a little bit of it. [00:10:42] Speaker C: Yes. [00:10:43] Speaker B: That it's not really rumors but whatever. Like he was like the last gasp ever for DSG after every other mid laner they tried to get. Did not want to side with them or signed with other teams or whatever. [00:10:56] Speaker A: Well. [00:10:57] Speaker B: So I feel a little bit bad for him but you got to strike when the iron is Again. He's a guy that has a really good mindset. He knows how to play the game really well. He has a lot of experience in that regard. I just hope he can keep up. Yeah, because I, I just don't want him to bomb out and, and then his reputation be ruined. [00:11:13] Speaker A: I do think he's probably one of the more ready mid laners coming out from nacl. I, I agree. I don't. [00:11:20] Speaker B: Like. [00:11:20] Speaker A: I think Samican and Toasty were names which I, I would like to have seen gone up but I think in terms of just plug and play and be ready. Like at the start of the split it was probably like Dark Wings fire ax and well po. But Paul Belter is former pro so I don't know if we include him in that conversation. [00:11:35] Speaker C: Yeah, so. So I was hearing all kinds of stuff like Pobelter. They didn't have the budget for Pobelter and what he wanted. Same with a blaze Olive. I was hearing that Toasty had a, a pretty big buyout from his current organization that they were asking for. So yeah, like these are all rumors so I don't know how much of them are true, but it's seeming like Dark Wings was lower on their list of like who they would Ideally want. [00:11:59] Speaker B: But in terms of 100 real. [00:12:02] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah. Well in terms of who they had available to them as a plug and play mid laner, they can play meta picks and you know you can. He can slot, you can build the draft around Rahel. I think that's gonna be the game plan for them. Build a draft around like Castle Rahel to be your carries and then Dark Wings just try and kind of hold the line, play the Orianna's, play the Azir, stuff like that. I think that he can do that for the team. Will this be enough to do damage in the lta? I don't think so. Will it be enough to keep them from relegating? I, I think that's a higher chance. I actually think that this roster I could see being one that can perform better than the, you know, the likes of the, the teams in Tier 2 right now. But I don't think it's going to be like a dead even give them the spot again. It's like they're still going to have to fight for it. But I think this one makes more sense than the last roster they had. [00:12:49] Speaker A: I think he'll do less damage to his fans. At least there'll be less emotional damage with Dark Wings in mid instead of Abu Dhager. [00:12:57] Speaker C: True, true, true, true. All right, so that's the roster news that we had around. If we missed anything, make sure to let us know in the community Discord. But there's one other variety topic I wanted to cover here just because there was conversation around this I noticed during MSI and post msi. So I'm just gonna lay the question out then. I want to get Miselle's thoughts and RMC's thoughts and I'll give my thoughts. Does Fearless Draft ruin game Fives gamers? We saw a lot of one sided stomps when it came to silver scrapes at msi. I want to get everyone's thoughts. [00:13:29] Speaker B: I mean I think over time it's not going to impact it as much, but I think right now teams are not ready for that kind of level of thought process and that level of kind of experience with this system. I think at the moment it does hinder Game five. So I think, I think we see a little bit of a stark contrast, especially with the constant meta shifts and stuff like that. And especially now that Riot has said that they are primarily focused on big changes ahead of international play and not really touching competitive between. It just means that like you go into an international with like a potentially completely different meta or different Priorities and then you have the tournament to figure out your weaknesses and like try to come back from that. I think a lot of is is prep and things like that and teams just aren't ready for like a lot of the teams we heard from. We're just not ready for things to be picked away from them or be taken away in bands from them in game fives. I think right now it is a hindrance. I think give it a couple years, it'll be fine. But by then we might change everything again. So I think get a job. Tough to watch. Yeah. I think it does affect game fives holistically and I think the reason why we're seeing such one sided games is because the drafts are just holistically better for one side than the other. [00:14:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Wait, I, I just heard you say Armageddon Draft. Rmc. Is that the one where like if a champ's band it's banned for the. [00:14:51] Speaker B: Rest of the series? [00:14:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:52] Speaker C: That's so funny. [00:14:53] Speaker B: I, I think it needs to be the NACL system of game fives where you literally only have three bands. [00:15:01] Speaker C: Well for is. Is that current nacl? Because I know that last year we did three bands for game four. No bands for game five. I didn't like that. But I agree that we could go to like three bands for, for the last two games or something. I, or at least game game five. [00:15:15] Speaker A: I feel like, okay, if we wanted to do it, this would have been a year to do the softer fearless for teams to get used to it. But I just think that, no, I think it's the coach's fault that they're not preparing for game five. Like you knew this was going to happen and everybody's like, oh, but it. [00:15:28] Speaker B: Could also be a player system if you don't have those champions available in your repertoire. Right. Like that's what we heard with quad. Right. They had literally never played Zillion ever. [00:15:38] Speaker A: That to me is a coaching and infrastructure issue that you didn't prepare your players, didn't tell your players, hey, you need at least, you know, eight, maybe nine different champions so that you don't get pigeonholed. [00:15:48] Speaker C: And also if you go into a game five at international in that type of situation and your only game plan is to get Galio and then your opponent blue ones. Galio and like that. [00:15:59] Speaker B: That's what I was talking about. [00:16:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:02] Speaker C: So that's pretty tough. [00:16:03] Speaker A: I mean I agree with Mattel. Does it ruin game fives currently? Yes. Should it ruin game fives? No. And I'm actually thinking that this is good, that we're now forcing the coaches to wake up or orgs to wake up and actually start, you know, training their players instead of just picking up players and saying okay, you're good, we're just going to use you as is. No, no, no. Now you actually have to develop them to have that champion pool. And while it does ruin game fives currently, I would argue it actually made the rest of the series more interesting because now we got to see like in games three, Games four where teams are drafting different champions, it's not just like whatever is meta and like one singular playstyle like oh Teamfight comp or oh Skilling comp, you know, like we get to see all sorts of ad carries like Jinx, like Draven, we get. [00:16:45] Speaker C: To see protect the Jinx comps. Which is pretty cool, right? [00:16:47] Speaker B: My favorite part was just being able to see like high level teams like play a pretty much a chess match with like at the highest level. I wouldn't say like any of the play in teams but especially once we got to the like knockouts and stuff. Like you're seeing teams pick one thing in one comp just because they know not only is it good for this comp but they can also take it away from an enemy. And like you hear a lot of the players say, man, you know, this was taken away from me here. And so later on in the series I had to think about it differently and what was available. Like I think that kind of stuff is really cool. [00:17:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And then I love it that it goes the, the absolute ultimate Game five in the Grand Finals and they just kicked over the chessboard, just rolled up their sleeves and picked Nidalee. [00:17:24] Speaker C: Yeah. And frickin Pike. That's awesome. I loved that Game five in the finals. And that's what I'm going to say is I think that Game five in the finals is the ideal of what Fearless Draft Game Fives should look like or at least can look like. And a lot of the other Game fives are just a reminder that it's a new system and that this was the, this was the purpose was the point of Fearless was to force players to have expanded champ pools to show us more styles and more different types of, of compositions. And the teams that were good at it won those Game Fives. The teams that were not good at it looked really bad in those game fives. And I think this is a wake up call for every team whether they were at MSI or not to say come worlds. That is something we need to be good at we need to be have a deeper chant pool like Mazel was saying and like really teach our players how to expand that. And you know, yeah, I, I saw this as more of a wake up call than oh this is evidence against Fearless Draft. But I, I do think it's more ammo in the pocket and if come world it's still rough and still like oh we just have bad game fives or even game fours then I mean it's harder to argue against the, the people, the pundits that dislike Fearless Drive because Fearless Chef was not a unanimously loved thing. There were specifically like analysts and coaches were the ones saying like this is gonna immediately it's like a band aid solution for making games more exciting. But we there is a sacrifice in having like players that are really good on one champion not be able to have that be a threat throughout a series because once they play it it's gone. [00:19:04] Speaker A: Oh, would you look at that. It's all the people who have to do more work and who frankly might not have done their homework. [00:19:12] Speaker C: Fair. Fair enough. Fair enough. Just a fun thing I wanted to discuss before getting into MSI proper because it was something going around the community. But speaking of community, make sure to join ours. Have a link to the discord in the description wherever you are listening along. Also we have a Patreon and a merch shop if you want to help support the pod. But with that being said, we have a deadline for this episode so let's hop into the show proper and talk about msi. The way we're going to cover this because we missed an episode kind of halfway through MSI is rather than talk about all the games, there's way too many, way too many series. There were 14 best of fives that we have not covered yet on the pod. We're going to break it down by region and talk about all five of the regions and just give kind of the general narrative narrative of how their tournament went and then each share kind of our series that we think you should watch. Like if you haven't checked out this series, this is our one that we recommend. So let's start off in order of weakest to best. And wouldn't you know L E C Mazel. How many series did the LEC win in the knockout stage? [00:20:15] Speaker B: Oh, that's a great question. I don't know that off the top of my head. Is it zero? [00:20:19] Speaker C: I yeah, they won. [00:20:21] Speaker B: No, they won one, right? They did go zero. [00:20:26] Speaker C: Yeah, they won one in the. Or I guess two series in Play ins. [00:20:30] Speaker B: But yeah, they still won. That's. That's. [00:20:32] Speaker C: Like I said, knockouts. I said knockouts. But in plans, they still had a negative game win rate. G2 went 6 and 7 in total games. And in the knockout stage, it looked Even worse for G2 and Koi being combined 3 and 12, the first two teams that we waved goodbye to. So that's rough, man. Like, for the lec. I know that they have been struggling to like, maintain their name in that conversation of like, ooh, they're threats at international events that it's been six years since they won msi, almost six years now since they made World's Finals. Yes, they were up there in that competition for a while, but they've really fallen off and this was a tough tournament for the LEC overall. [00:21:16] Speaker B: It. It was indeed. I don't think they ever got their feet under them. I think, you know, they were really frustrated with themselves a lot of the cases. I am very curious of what's going to happen in LEC for split three and who's actually going to come out the better of it. But I, I would give them the benefit of the doubt that Worlds is going to be a little bit of a different story for lec. But it was, it was a toughie for sure. Yeah. [00:21:40] Speaker A: As much as that's the help North America and me wants to gloat, I do think that Europe has. The OEC has traditionally been a very sort of low skillful or high skill ceiling sort of region, and when the cards fall right for them, they absolutely pop off. So I kind of agree with myself. I think Worlds will be a very different conversation even if we don't see the top rosters change. Right. Like, I don't think we got to see the best of G2. I don't think we got to see much of MKOI whatsoever. So, yeah, I do think that come Worlds, they'll be more competitive. I'm just hoping that the OTA north will also have improved significantly enough that the gap doesn't close between us and Europe. [00:22:17] Speaker C: That that would be the hope for an LTA fan. But for the LEC fans, I think they're looking specifically at G2, saying CAPS still shows up at international events. But the rest of this roster, lebravin Skewmond, are still trying to like get their experience under them and they're. They're struggling a little bit. But Hans Sama had an uncharacteristically bad tournament here. So I think that was like the big takeaway was that you expect Lebrov and Skuban to have a couple of rough showings, but I didn't expect that from Hansam. I really thought that he would have been one of the kind of bricks for the team. Or maybe bricks. Not the right term. More of a solid performer, I guess, is what I'm trying to think. [00:22:53] Speaker A: I think brick tied around their foot being chucked in a river. [00:22:58] Speaker B: I think it sucks to see Hansama have such a tough time. But I think the. I mean, the. The biggest weak points were word jungle and support. And I mean, I think a lot of it comes from experience, but it's also just like, man, especially for those last games. Holy crap, man. [00:23:17] Speaker C: I mean, they got 3o'd by flyQuest. I mean, yeah, that's awesome as an NA fan, but did not expect that one. I'm gonna be honest. Also, mcoi, things didn't look that much better outside of the fact that they took a game off BLG and they took a game off of CFO before going away. And even G2 got that first game against Gen G. That was like one where we got really excited. Weren't able to win another game after that. But mcoi, I would say, like, the takeaways I have for them is that I. I was again impressed with Supa. I think he overall performed better than I had expected for this entire year. He did very well in split two playoffs and finals. And then at this international event, I'm like, like, he didn't play perfect. No. But there were moments where I was like, supa is a threat right now. And then Merwin still with his fun. Champool is always exciting to watch, but it just. It felt like they were lacking consistent firepower throughout to really carry them to wins. But rmc, you were chuckling there for a second. What were you chuckling about? [00:24:18] Speaker A: What was it? Oh, the fact that when you're saying that, you know they won game one against Shinji, I was laughing because in the bracket, in the bracket stage, everybody was winning game one. The only team. So the only Western team that didn't win a game one was G2 against Flyco. [00:24:34] Speaker C: Yep. So it was the game one curse. [00:24:36] Speaker A: I think that's more an indictment on G2 than it is sort of a. Let's go MCO. You want a game against Genji? [00:24:44] Speaker C: That was a funny little first. First round consistency right there was. We all got excited. [00:24:50] Speaker B: It was so fun. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:51] Speaker C: That first game. But end of the day, it's. It's fun in a way because I'm an N A fan, but I'm also an EU fan. And like, I don't want LEC to be the weakest region in the world, especially by this margin. I mean, both teams losing right away. 3 and 12 in group stage, by not. Not even close to the worst performance of a region, a Western region internationally. I still look back to that N a worlds where TSM went 06 and we won like two games as a region. That was awful. [00:25:19] Speaker A: Yes, sir. [00:25:21] Speaker C: But this is. This is close to that, which is concerning for the lec. So weakest currently. I do agree with Mazel. I. I have faith that they can at least get a team or two to perform better than this at Worlds, though. That leads us to arguably second weakest region. I. I think both of these next two can be kind of clumped up, but I put LCP just because they dropped a game to MCOH. They only picked up one against Al. Yes, they did push T1 to 3, but I think it's arguable, depending on how you look at it, which team, which region is worse, LCP or lta. But. Well, let's talk about LCP first. I kind of gave a lot of the narratives already. They basically just got to beat up. [00:26:04] Speaker A: EU. [00:26:06] Speaker C: At this event, and that was kind of their. Their takeaway. Yeah. So what do we think about lcp? Uh, rmc, I want to get your thoughts first here. Like, do you think that cfo, everyone was talking about them? They're legitimate threats. They can actually do some damage. Do you feel like they kind of lived up. Up to them? [00:26:21] Speaker A: First off, I think they actually had a better showing as a region because I think you forgot about Gam. Gam did better than Furia, and Furia is lta. So did. [00:26:29] Speaker C: Did they? Oh, I guess. [00:26:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Because Furia was the first one out, unfortunately. [00:26:34] Speaker B: Can we just be real and not put them together? [00:26:36] Speaker A: Nope. Because it's the lca, not the lcs anymore. Miselle. [00:26:40] Speaker B: We. [00:26:40] Speaker A: This is the world we live in. [00:26:42] Speaker C: Okay, I'll move them around. I will still talk about them, but on the dock, I'll. I'll move them. Love to be after the lta. I just didn't. [00:26:49] Speaker A: It hurts me more than it hurts you. As say that unfortunately, because. Yeah, was sort of the old chain around, anchor around the neck thing. No, I think CFO performed about pretty much where I expected when we did the pre MSI show. I already told you CFO was going to do a lot of damage. And I think the world finally got to see that Honqyu and Doggo Are absolute threats like Supa. [00:27:10] Speaker C: Dude, doggo's crazy. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Like Supa was the LEC mvp and there were games where doggo just walked in them. Like it. It was just that. That's what you expect from the carries. [00:27:18] Speaker B: Locked cam, by the way. Locked cam. [00:27:21] Speaker A: True. Yeah. What? [00:27:23] Speaker B: I. I can't. I. I literally will never get over that. It's actually so wild to me. It is absolutely crazy what a based. [00:27:30] Speaker A: Individual that are people playing on trackpads. [00:27:32] Speaker C: I. I just don't understand out of any position. I think ad carry makes the most sense. But it's still crazy that a pro plays on locked cam. Like it. It. That's ridiculous to me. Yeah. [00:27:40] Speaker A: And he's so experienced. Like. Like in the beginning, I get it. But like when you're like dog's level like and he's actually paying attention to macro, I don't see how he can do that on lockdown. But I think what surprised me the most was driver and rest and how well that sort of the rotation in the top lane actually worked out. I genuinely thought that was actually going to be the weak point of the team. But I would actually argue the weakest performer was actually Junja, which is wild to say when that guy has traditionally been like the. The strong point of this team and like the father of Brazil. Yeah. The fact that I think he. He had the weakest showing on that team I think says a lot about how CFO just stepped up as. As an entire team. [00:28:19] Speaker C: Yeah. I think that again pushing T1 especially to 5 games really impressed me right away. Then they only lost one game to mcoh. Took that one. Took a game off of al Overall happy with their performance. Mizzell, any like big thoughts on LCP and how CFO look? [00:28:36] Speaker B: I mean, I think they all look like. I don't know, man. I put their performance like almost close there. I mean just because I'm not counting LTAs as LTA. I actually put their performance near LTA. [00:28:50] Speaker C: That's what I was thinking too. Like I really feel like it's arguable between these two and that can lead us right into the LTA conversation. We smashed G2.3 0. We took BLG to five games. And it was a clear lack of mid lane champ pool slash coaching preparation for mid lane champ pool. It was like the premier reason we lost. Also, Masu just clicking outside of the brush, dude. [00:29:15] Speaker B: That is the biggest mistake that is just gonna live rent free in his head for the rest of his career, man. [00:29:22] Speaker C: That was his. It wasn't as like Back breaking as Doublelift jumping into Victor. But it. I feel like that's Basu's version of that international event. Big moment on the line. It's not like they just want a team fight and then we're about to get Baron type of level. It was level one like beginning of the game, but still like you don't want those type of things in your career. You don't want people to think of that when they think of your name. And unfortunately, yeah, that was happening. [00:29:50] Speaker A: I'm actually curious how many people remember that. Like because this game was against blg, so like I don't think the losses like will sting us. [00:29:56] Speaker B: I mean the problem is it literally, like I hate to put so much emphasis on it, but it literally cost them. Did it or did relied their whole. I mean you can talk, you can like listen to the, the interview afterwards with like multiple of the players, but like it just completely upset the way that they were gonna try to play that game. And I think that's tough. [00:30:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:20] Speaker C: Yeah. And I think that it's both. But you know, that doesn't detract from how much the, the Masu misplay hurt because you can kind of COVID up Quads in experience with the Zillion, even if he dies solo, like getting so killed by Galio under your own turret, man, like that. But even if that happened, as long as Masu's ahead and carrying like maybe Masu can still carry the game. But I, I think that if Masu, if that happens to Masu and Quad doesn't die under turret, it's still a bad game. That, that's kind of the way that I, that I different appreciate it in my head. But yeah, so, so that's where I think it's arguable between LTA if you're just looking at Fly Quest and then LCP if you're just looking at cfo. But the question that I want to ask is do we feel like this was a downgrade from our showing at Worlds where we made top eight? We pushed Gen G to five games. I'm. I was excited about this Fly Quest run. It's a tough way to see it end, but it's kind of a similar story if you, if you squint. We beat EU to get there and then we lost a close five game series against a tough team, but not tournament favorites. It's BLG who then got smashed by al. So I think like it's tough to say that this was better than Worlds and does that concern anybody or do you disagree? And you think FlyQuest still leveled up for Worlds last year? [00:31:41] Speaker B: Nah, bro, they're still. They're built, dude. So many people are so excited for them in Worlds and shit because of what they're like. Just the more consistent performance from. From lta, which I think feels really good and gets people excited, I think. I think they're gonna be a big favorite of the community going into Worlds for sure. [00:32:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd say. I think Fight Quest, I do feel like they improved and I think they. Their wins were more convincing to me and even in their losses, I felt like they fought better. It's just the Game five, like genuinely, this. This was a format issue that screwed them. And so I do feel like the players have leveled up, but the infrastructure kind of deal with them in this case. [00:32:23] Speaker C: Yeah. And another thing to add on to that, going into Worlds, as long as their plan continues, they're gonna have a second top laner. You know, it will not only be Bwipo, I'm blanking on his name right now. It's not Bukata, that's the. The Jungler over for sk. But it starts with a B. I need to know this. [00:32:43] Speaker B: I thought it was a G. Is. [00:32:45] Speaker C: It A. Oh, Gakos. Yes, it is a G. Okay, never mind. Thank you, Mizel. Geckos coming in to split time with Bwipo. Slash learn under Bwipo. I don't exactly know what that's gonna look like. They haven't been very clear with the intention, but if there's anything we can learn from Team Liquid and how they handled Yuji and Umpty. You can never fully trust the communication given by the teams and the coaching staff as to what the game plan is with the roster. So all that will be answered in split three. But for now, big old question mark on it. But now we get to talk about the second best region in the world. LPL representative Mazel. How do you feel about how your boys did at msi? [00:33:33] Speaker B: Feel okay? I don't feel great. I think they. I think blg. I was not confident BLG whatsoever going into into msi, so that one didn't hurt as much because I think that team is just really struggling right now with how they want to play the game, especially from the beginning, which is so crazy to me. I think Beituan had some good moments. Also some really, really, really, really bad moments. I think the best performer had to be Elk or Night. But even then that's not a high bar because there was a lot of games where they Were just dropping the ball. So for blg, I'm very curious what they're going to do when they get back to LPL and how they're going to fix the problems with on. Because I think ON went from being the best support in the LPL for like almost two years to now, probably being one of the worst and the reason why they're losing, which is not a good trajectory to have for Al. God, it's so disappointing, man. Tabby dropped the fucking ball for game five against T1, which is just absolutely so sad. And unfortunately it's not like the NA team where they'll tell us, oh, that was our first time selling. We'll just never hear what happened ever. But it was a complete and utter destruction of the draft, which is so sad to see. And I know people were saying, oh, but you could have access onto the jinx. You're literally going double AP carry. So that nobody talked about was that TF was also 0 and 8 before that with 0 and 9 in the tournament and nobody only everybody talked about Kalista the whole time. And it's just like TF was right there as well. Is pathetic to put. To put not only shakes on tf, but, you know, having a zigzag for Hope. He's okay at Ziggs. He's not the best at it. Right. You need to go toe to toe with the ad. They did not do that whatsoever. So I think it's just really disheartening because I think they should have been in finals. I don't know if they would have been beat Gen G. But I am still really excited for AL and at World because I think the structure of the team is really good. I just think they really need to get their like late game comps in game fives under wraps. [00:35:43] Speaker C: I think the big takeaway I've. I have from the team, outside of the fact that they took both LCK teams to five games, they pushed Genji to five and T1 to five. I think that first of all deserves credit. But Shanks, man, did he impress me me at this tournament. I. I really became a Shanks believer and I'm excited to see what he's able to do going forward in the mid lane. But yeah, the, the draft, finally people. [00:36:08] Speaker B: Get to see him. [00:36:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I know, right? I know you've been hyping about him. You've been talking about him for, for a while now. So. Yeah, but. But again, I think. I know it can be disappointing, especially as somebody who covers that region. You're very close to the, to the kind of narratives and the players and such. Pushing LCK to five games both times I don't think is like a bad showing. [00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:28] Speaker C: And also didn't drop a game or didn't drop a series to anybody that wasn't LPL or then of course lck. Like even BLG was able to clean up against MCOI and FlyQuest. [00:36:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I think they. They also didn't give any game fives to any team that wasn't a Korean team. [00:36:43] Speaker C: So. [00:36:44] Speaker A: Yeah, they were. [00:36:45] Speaker C: BLG gave a game five to Fly Quest. [00:36:47] Speaker A: But yeah, yeah, yeah, that said, okay. I know like you're putting a lot on Tope's back and I agree. I think that draft was not great whatsoever. The Ziggs was not set up, the TF was not set up. But I also do feel like that Game five, the players crumbled as well. Like they made bad choices that didn't even let us see any strength of their. Their composition whatsoever. Like feeding Gumayushi that early was just like, that's game over, right. Like fed Jing said. What was that fight at like what, what pre 10 minutes or around 10 minutes? Like it was kind of done once that happened. So I think that the players as well probably could use a bit more tempering on the international stage. And to me that's a hopeful sign that, hey, you know, a loss here might kind of prompt them to improve. And I'd love to see them at Worlds with, you know, a bit better mental, especially when they're up against T1 of all teams in that critical match. It's like T1 is the strongest mental team on the planet. But how it feels like they just never kind of follow up it just go ahead, please. [00:37:50] Speaker B: I. It just feels bad because they. In all the interviews and all the side content and stuff like that, it was. That was their biggest focus. Right. And then to drop the ball even like, yes, I agree the players are also at fault, but you got to set your players up for success. [00:38:01] Speaker A: Sure. [00:38:02] Speaker B: In a lot of cases. And agreed, I think it's tough. [00:38:04] Speaker A: And I also kind of feel bad for Topic because I do feel like he. He did such a good job in general, but then he did so good. He's like one of the best coaches, if not the best coach in the lpl, at least the one that I recogn the most. Now the. The other thing about Al though, that I felt really sad about, I was talking to Yani and Elk and Kai about this a little bit was that al's story kind of got overshadowed a little bit because they went up against T1 and like the teams they kind of played against, like it was CFO and they were supposed. And CFO kind of undercut their story because CFO was the underdog who was also overperforming at the time. Then they're up against Bog, which was just sort of an LPL final matchup. And you know, people were less interested. [00:38:45] Speaker B: Because I mean I could, I could rant about this for hours. I was not happy at all with the representation of LPL at the, at the. At all whatsoever throughout plans. [00:38:54] Speaker A: And even you're not the only one from the LPL English if he was that way. [00:38:59] Speaker B: And like, yes, it comes I think from a place of bias, obviously. But if you're going to represent a region and you're going to open the entire tournament by saying we've got our LPL reps here and then those LPL reps don't get any of the stories correct or like don't reach out at all. Like we didn't get reached out to until literally the final like T1 versus Al was when we got reached out to by Emily and it was the only time we got reached out to by anybody on the broadcast. Yeah, it just feels, it feels bad. [00:39:28] Speaker A: Agreed. And just the matchups they had kept happening. I felt like the other one that they really fumbled on was Gen Gal. I felt like they could have developed that one a lot more against FlyQuest. I get it. Like people weren't interested because they thought like, yeah, LPL team versus, I mean. [00:39:40] Speaker B: Anytime that LPL is playing, it was always. Whoever they were facing, it's always from their perspective, it was always, oh, they got something. Oh, they the other, the LPL team got something. Oh, it's like it was always every narrative of team fights, every narrative of like what was going on the map was always from the perspective of the enemy of like, of non LPL teams. Which I think is crazy to me, man. [00:40:02] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's so unfortunate that the only time like their sort of underdog story was really kind of played up was against T1. And even that kind of got overshadowed by the fact that it was T1. I was actually in the stadium on the floor that night, night with the games. And I just remember game five was incredibly one sided. But at first there were people cheering for Al and by the time like halfway through that game, people who had seen cheering for Al were cheering for T1. Like it's just the T1 effect yeah. Because it's faker. It's. It's guma, it's Gary. It's like, it's all these. It's owner. [00:40:32] Speaker B: It's like all these big names that increase. [00:40:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So by the end of it, I just felt like when Al bowed out, I was kind of like, I. Part of me just feels really bad for all the untold stories that Al had which were A, not explored by ignorance or B, like overshadowed by just the teams they're playing up against. And I. [00:40:49] Speaker B: And I really, the only story that people are going to come away with it is fucking Shanks Glasses. I swear to God, you talk to anybody like five months at Worlds and be like, oh, is that Shanks guy coming? He had really cool glasses. It's going to be the only narrative that comes out of LPL from MSI TW 2025. [00:41:06] Speaker C: Yeah. And that's just unfortunately doesn't surprise me given the fact that Riot doesn't have LPL talent to bring on to tell those stories. And like you had said, there just wasn't a lot of, like, reaching out to the people that are covering those. [00:41:20] Speaker B: That's the thing that hurts the most is. Yeah, these people are supposed to be professionals. And just watching a VOD is not going to give you the insight of a story of a team. And. Yeah, well, I guess it sucks because we're in the same position that like. Like LJL and was like five years ago. It's like we have the store, we have documents ready to go. Like we have. We could tell you everything, but you. [00:41:41] Speaker A: Don'T ask, crazy as it sounds. Welcome to the minor region live. [00:41:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:46] Speaker A: Second best region in the world, by the way. [00:41:48] Speaker C: Yeah. I can't believe. Yeah. You just said Miter region life for lp. [00:41:51] Speaker B: Yep. At least everybody got to see how good Tarzan has gotten because I think everybody's mindset on Tarzan is so in the dumps from all this time on LNG and stuff and not really ever finding success. It was literally his first LPL win and in this split, which is just crazy after being around in finals so many times. [00:42:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:13] Speaker B: And it was only Al's first time together on an international stage, so I do expect them to. To have good time. [00:42:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. I. I'm very excited for that team going into Worlds as well. But at the end of the day, there was one region that kind of reigned supreme over MSI and that was the LCK. Gen G and T1 made it to the finals. We got back to back game fives between these two in the upper bracket finals and then the grand finals. Neither one of them dropping a series to anybody that was not an LCK team. And shout out to Cubby. A lot of people on the pod will probably know him. He covers NaCl. I think he's been on the pod like once or twice as well. But he even put out a tweet at the like beginning of this year or sometime after first stand saying LCK is not going to drop a best of five to any region that isn't the LCK all year. And one international event. Check. You actually was right there. Didn't lose the series. Anyone but themselves. And I think Gen G are just terrifying going into worlds, man. Like holy crap. Rmc. We were talking before going live of like how much of these wins was like macro outplaying Gen G versus T1. It just felt like Gen G put their boxing gloves on and just punched them over and over again. Like that was. It did feel like macro outplay. It was just like no, we're just better than D1 right now. [00:43:33] Speaker A: I mean actually that's the question. Like because Mazal, you weren't here. We're discussing that. I'm curious about your opinion too because Kangas does feel like that macro made quite a difference between the LCK versus other regions. I just felt like this is probably the least macro I feel like I've seen from the LCK where Gen G is just being Gen G and better and T1 was just clutching out all sorts of business that we've not seen from them domestically all split long. I. I'm curious, you know what your opinion is on the Ock macro advantage. [00:44:08] Speaker C: I'm not sure if Mizel's microphone. [00:44:10] Speaker B: Sorry, sorry. No, no. I was muted. [00:44:12] Speaker C: Okay. [00:44:12] Speaker B: Okay. I. I'm interested because I agree. I don't think it was like the biggest time as like maybe other experiences I've had but. But I gotta say Gen G had really good macro decisions which I think were really good. And the clutch like T1 just had magic. I don't know what the was going on. Like just like I watched Faker lobotomize five Chinese players. [00:44:37] Speaker A: I guess first time is out. [00:44:40] Speaker B: Lobotomize an entire professional team live on stage in Canada, in Vancouver. [00:44:46] Speaker A: He's been doing it for years. [00:44:47] Speaker B: Warp. He literally. He literally removed their brains because for the rest of the game they had no idea how to approach a fight whatsoever. I think the clutch decision making is definitely there because of experience from T1. And you got to remember like four out of the five players like it was. I. I think it's hilarious. This is another side comment. I'm sorry to all the broadcast board, bro. Every time they got a T1 got a kill, bro, they got. They. They had their accolades covered up. No other team got that did. You know, like maybe one out of like the entirety, but maybe man, like, like giving odor like he had 1001 kill. Oh, he had 1004 kills. Yeah. And then doing like faker's achievements and like all that kind of stuff. Like I think it's interesting that they made it that far based off of like clutch factors, but that shows off the experience. I think Gen G were just outright the better team in decision making and I think they were really quick at decision making. I think a lot of their fights were really well set up. They were very clear like how they wanted to execute fights. I think T1 was just pulling magic out of their head. [00:45:50] Speaker A: Yep. If you told me all team, I would have believed you. The way they play. [00:45:55] Speaker C: To, to clarify my statement, most of what I was looking at was LCK versus the western teams like G2 versus Gen G. That was a lot more of like Gen G just like getting more gold on the map than G2 was and out executing them in lane. Yes, but. But then like rotating around the map. [00:46:12] Speaker B: You know that. I completely agree. [00:46:14] Speaker C: Yeah, stuff, stuff like that. But when it came down to how Gen G was beating the LPL teams and then beating T1, man, they are a good team fighting team. Like holy crap. If you approach Gen G at a dragon, good luck. Like they, they position so well. And ruler dude, he makes misfortune look like Kaisa or Ezreal. Like you just can't get on him. Like it's just ridiculous what how he positions and how good he is at spacing and just moving around like he's winning Senna into Corgi matchups. Like how the hell is he dodging every queue? What was that? [00:46:53] Speaker B: So why couldn't he do this on JDG 2024? [00:46:57] Speaker A: Okay. [00:46:58] Speaker C: Like he had a really good event. [00:47:00] Speaker A: But Mizella, to your question, I. I think that's the problem is the current meta does not reward macro as much. And that's one of the reasons why he couldn't do it in 2024 but he can do it now because in 2024, like yeah, Kangas is right in terms of like the, the macro right now is simplified so their decision making does give them the edge in terms of macro. And I was thinking more like the old school, you know, sort of like playing the map properly in terms of like, okay, when to apply pressure on one side or the other. Genji is not really optimizing for that. It's just that they are better at team fighting and they are moving faster, more decisively. And I feel like in the current meta, when everything revolves around on ultimately team fighting, those small leads they get are more than enough to just like blow games open because they're better with it and other teams don't have options to play around that. That style. Not that other teams tried. I feel like the only team that Even tried was C1 and Duran ended up feeding every time he tried to do that. So that's a whole different issue. But yeah, I, I just think that this Gen G got the right meta and they fully deserve this win. The fact that both the T1 series went to five games, that's just T1 international magic. And if it's Worlds, I think T1 would have won those games. [00:48:09] Speaker C: Chess by pure clutch factor alive. [00:48:13] Speaker B: I've got a. This is going to be bold of me and okay, I'm really glad we don't. Probably don't have a Korean audience, but I'm so fucking happy T1 lost. God damn. Cheering in my fucking room, man. I'm so tired of that stupid fucking T1 magic. The fucking little minion back at Riot that gives a 20% increased stats across. Across the board anytime, dude, they get a button, they get like tired of it. I love Faker. I love him so much. It's. It's awesome to have a general play. I'm so tired of it, dude. I'm so tired. [00:48:49] Speaker A: Right? If you're listening to this podcast, this minion over here is not tired of it. [00:48:52] Speaker B: I will happily so tired of Salty Bazelle, man. This is my favorite. Oh, this is great. [00:49:00] Speaker C: And I, I actually agree. I think it is. It's good that it's good for T1 to lose because like, if they just win everything, then we are dead when Faker retires. Like, it just. Just don't even have worlds anymore at that point. [00:49:13] Speaker B: Nobody else gets their stories through. I. I think a lot of it comes from the narrative bias that we get a lot of time in T1 play. They just dominate everything. Right? Like it's the conversation everybody talked about, all the analysts, all the casters. Like it's always just T1. And I think it's just. It feels really bad. [00:49:28] Speaker C: Yeah, agreed. But they. They did not win. Gen G did take it. And I really do feel like Gen G lived up to the expectation that they had. How often is it that like a tournament favorite that's you know, first stand aside. Hle just kind of styled everybody. How often at like a tournament like this does the favorite show up and then actually perform? And I know yes, you can look at it and be like, well, they had three silver scrapes, three five game series and they dropped a game to G2 too. But still more impressive. [00:50:02] Speaker A: I think that that depends on how you define a favorite because if you're talking fan favorites, how many times does T1 one again. [00:50:09] Speaker C: MSI? Once. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Twice. [00:50:12] Speaker B: Yeah, that was once. The point is more eight years ago. [00:50:15] Speaker A: Yeah, the point is more like if it's fan favorites every time T1 wins, the favorite wins. Right. So it's more like the. The pundits and analysts. [00:50:22] Speaker C: Unless the fan favorites more of like tournament favorites. Because the conversation around Gen G was their untouchable and. And they still are. They are what, 23 best of fives in a row or best of at least in a row. I don't know if they're all best of fives in LCK format, but that is crazy of a win rate. And yeah, we'll see if they can maintain that. But with that being said, that's kind of our thoughts on lck, lpl, lta, LCP and lec. What I want to get to next is talk about all of our favorite series. Before wrapping up this episode. I'll start part my favorite series that I recommend everybody go check out and everybody watch if they haven't already. No bias. This is just the best league of Legends that you will see from the event. In my honest opinion, it is Fly Quest smashing the hell out of G2, 3 0. Watch Busio's Bard game. Oh my God. That was awesome. I hopped on a plane during like as soon as like Pikman ended, we took off. I landed, series was over. I was like holy crap, that was fast. And had to watch it again later. But that that was my favorite series. What's everybody else got? Mazel. I want to hear from you first. If you. If you want to recommend a series to anybody your favorite from the entire event, what would it be? [00:51:36] Speaker B: I think Al Jenji was really fun. [00:51:39] Speaker C: Oh yeah, that was a great one. That one actually seen Tarzan pop off and. And you know, push Gen G to the limit. [00:51:47] Speaker B: Just pushing canyon. Right. Somebody who I know has always been in his sights and finally gets an opportunity to really feel confident about it. [00:51:53] Speaker C: But like that Tarzan I think was my takeaway player from that stat series in Particular shanks also, of course, stepped up, but like, whoo. Tarzan put on a clinic. All right, rmc, what do you got? [00:52:02] Speaker A: I think all the AL series are pretty good watches. I would recommend those. But my personal favorite was the only five game series in the first round, which was CFO versus T1. And it also gave us the single bloodiest game of MSI. I think it was 50, 53, 54, 53 kills in game four. Yeah, it was. It was a bloodbath. It was really funny. And just. Just watching T1 struggle against the Flying Oysters was personally gratifying to me because I do think that the LCP is. Is a very strong region and arguably their best region in the world. [00:52:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Outside of T1 3 owing BLG, they had what, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 game series. We had a lot of T1 at this MSI. I. I like that nod as well. So CFOT1 from RMC, we got Al, Jen G from a Zel, and we got G2Fly Quest for me, that is. Is six different teams represented in all of those. That's awesome, guys. We didn't even plan that, but hell yeah, I guess just don't watch McCoy or BLG is the takeaway. Sorry, JoJo. Still love you, man. Yeah. All right, well, that's gonna do it for our MSI recap. I know we didn't cover, like, as much of how individual games went. We did kind of a little bit of that here and there. But in general, because there were so many series and games to cover, really, we just wanted to give you the vibes from each of the regions after that event. But thank you so much, everybody, for tuning in. This has been another episode of the League rundown, and if you. [00:53:33] Speaker B: Hey, hey, real quick, real quick, though. If you're gonna. If you're gonna do something for us, you know, to celebrate MSI being over, you know, you. You could go and give us five stars. [00:53:44] Speaker A: Yeah, celebrate. [00:53:45] Speaker B: You know, it's really important. [00:53:46] Speaker A: Celebrate. Episode 569. Five stars. 69. [00:53:49] Speaker C: Nice, nice, nice, nice. Also, five stars for as many regions were at MSI. Five stars for as many games as the. The final, it would be six, though. [00:53:59] Speaker B: Because LTAs and LTA is different. [00:54:02] Speaker C: You know what? Funnily enough, According to the LoL Esports website, they did differentiate those two, so I suppose. [00:54:11] Speaker B: Even Riot doesn't think they're. [00:54:13] Speaker C: The same, which is very fun. Funny. I'm not gonna talk anymore on that, though. [00:54:19] Speaker B: No, you're good. [00:54:20] Speaker C: Thank you for tuning in, everybody. [00:54:21] Speaker B: Welcome. [00:54:24] Speaker C: We love you and we'll see you next time.